Where is my cycle?

I dont know what that is..

Just checked again..

ammonia -- 0 ppm
nitrites -- <0.25 ppm

The ammonia is being broken down in no time at all.. I would guess it goes from 4 to 0 in about 6 or 7 hours... maybe more, maybe less..

But less than 0.25 ppm nitrites!! I CAN SEE THE LIGHT!!!

I'm sure this isn't going to be very funny any longer. It's hard to get the timing right for a punch line in an online forum. LOL

But.. to recap... you were ROTFLYAO at the YouTube of the Ace Hardware ad and then you posted your ammonia levels. Then I asked about your nitrite levels... or were they ROTBOTTLTLBBO?

You were supposed to say HUH???

And then my reply was going to be.... Rolling On The Bottom Of The Tank Laughing Their Little Bacterial Butts Off.

I told you it wasn't going to be funny any longer. LOL
 
Sounds like you're right on schedule, Whisker. Just don't let Lenny get you sidetracked, and you'll be alright! ;)

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Well, since this thread started off with Cycling and then morphed into Singing and now it's morphing into Trains, how about this one...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkN4J2l1UaA

And she and the other dancers are hotter than Carol King... although I don't think I've ever heard/seen that version until now. Geeze.. I guess I am a "Senior Member". I WANT MY 5% DISCOUNT!!! (in my grumpy old man voice) LOL

EDIT... I did mean the girl dancers! I hadn't watched the entire vid when I posted the link.
 
If your new dose of 4ppm is down to 0.0ppm tomorrow, then you are ready to go. Just do the 90% PWC with dechlored water and let the tank run for half a day or so to let the water outgas/ingas and the temperature stabilize and then go get your fish... and you're ready for a full bioload of fish, not just a few at a time.

The whole purpose of fishless cycling to 3-5ppm of ammonia is that you will have a full sized colony of active nitrifying bacteria and the normal full bioload (not overly stocked) of a tank will put out around 3-5ppm of ammonia each day.

Once you add your fish, monitor your ammonia, nitrite, nitrate levels for a few days to make sure things are working as planned. You shouldn't even see a mini-cycle since your tank is handling the 4ppm of ammonia in just 4-6 hours where a normal full bioload only puts out 3-5ppm in a 24 hour period.
 
Ok.. I redosed again yesterday just to be sure... Dosed to ~4 ppm and just checked it:

ammonia -- 0 ppm
nitrite -- 0 ppm

Do I really do a 90% change? That seems like a lot!!! I trust you though.
 
The reason (that I read a long time ago) for the BIG water change is to reduce the chance of any kind of contamination from the added ammonia. The stuff we buy is a household grade ammonium hydroxide solution, not a hospital or laboratory grade. Whatever contaminants might be in there aren't bad enough to kill your bacteria but it's still best to remove them before adding your fish.
 
OK WTH!?!?!

So as yall know, my cycle was complete (so I thought).... Ammonia (4 ppm) was being broken down in 6-8 hours, Nitrites spiked for a few days and then zeroed out consistently... I did about a 85% water change, added new water with conditioner, waited about 4 hours, then I went fish shopping... I didnt really find anything I was too crazy about so I just got 4 male guppies from Petco, just so I could have something in the tank...

I acclimated them for about 20-30 minutes and then added them... About 2-3 hours later one was dead... and then this morning another one was dead... the other 2 look great... so I figured I just had a bad stock... checked my water just now and got:

ammonia -- 0 ppm
nitrites -- couldnt tell... the purple shade is much different than the card.. so it is either off the scales, or shadewise is about 1-2 ppm (if that makes sense?)
nitrate -- 10-20 ppm

So what happened??? What should I do?? This is a major bummer, cause it seems like I have been waiting forever!!! But I dont want these two survivors to be suffering with the nitrites.. Any help would be greatly appreciated!
 
Depending on the water parameters of the store's water and your own, 20-30 minutes may not be enough and could have caused shock issues such as pH shock or osmoregulatory shock. Or the fish could have been weak to begin with. I always test a stores water first to see what their pH, GH and KH are compared to my own water so I'll have a better idea of how long to do the acclimation... and often I will still do a trickle acclimation over the course of a couple of hours just to be sure.

The bad news is that if it's pH shock or osmo. shock, this usually only is deadly in the first few hours or so and any survivors should be OK. Did you see the fish acting really lethargic, gasping, etc. after adding them to your tank?

Also, you should have let the tank run for more than 4 hours so that the temperature could stabilize and the water could outgas/ingas to stabilize. In post #44, I specifically said, "Just do the 90% PWC with dechlored water and let the tank run for half a day or so to let the water outgas/ingas and the temperature stabilize and then go get your fish... and you're ready for a full bioload of fish, not just a few at a time."

Half a day is 12 hours, not 4. "Half a day or so" means around a half a day... maybe give or take an hour or so.. but not 8 hours. I'm not saying this is the problem but it could be... depending on what your tap water baseline numbers are.

As far as your nitrite reading, I'm not sure why this would happen... although it could also be related to your tap water baseline numbers... if you have really low O2 levels and really high CO2 levels in your tap water. This would put a damper on your N-bacteria until the CO2 outgasses and O2 ingasses into the water, then the N-bacteria would be back to full strength. You can add a pinch or two of salt per 10G (diluted in some water first) and that will help protect the fish from nitrite poisoning up to 1.0ppm. Do PWC's to keep them close to 1ppm until your N-bacteria recover... presuming they were shocked also. I'm confused about your comment about nitrites being 1-2ppm or off the charts? My API nitrite color card goes up to 5ppm and that color is vastly different from 1ppm and 2ppm... even 1ppm and 2ppm are different to me.

Did you pre-treat your water change water with your dechlor product before adding it into the tank? Or if you didn't, did you at least add the dechlor to the tank first and then slowly start filling the tank so that the chlorinated water didn't start do harm your N-bacteria? I know they are pretty tough guys from what Dr. Tim says but if chlorinated/chloraminated water is on them for too long, it will probably weaken/kill some of them.
 
I should add. I don't recall if we talked much about your tap water baseline but I have an article on my blog about this often not mentioned aspect of fish keeping. "Find Your Tap / Source Water Baseline".

Also, next time you're at that shop, test their water or get a quart sample to bring home and test. Also ask them what kind of stuff they add to their tanks that might affect water parameters to change them a LOT from your own. If they use bottled pH this/that crap, that could mean that you have to acclimate your fish longer.
 
Also, you should have let the tank run for more than 4 hours so that the temperature could stabilize and the water could outgas/ingas to stabilize. In post #44, I specifically said, "Just do the 90% PWC with dechlored water and let the tank run for half a day or so to let the water outgas/ingas and the temperature stabilize and then go get your fish... and you're ready for a full bioload of fish, not just a few at a time."

Half a day is 12 hours, not 4. "Half a day or so" means around a half a day... maybe give or take an hour or so.. but not 8 hours. .
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Should have waited longer.. Got it!

Thanks Lenny


When I added the fish the two that died seemed lethargic and yes were gasping...

Like I said, the other two seem fine. How much of a water change should I do and how often do you think?

Also, as far as the dechlorinator goes, I added all the water, then added it... is that bad??
 
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