Amquel+ vs. Prime

[hitman12131976]

AmQuel+

AmQuel+ is nontoxic and saves on the need for as many water changes
AmQuel+ removes/detoxifies all of the kinds of toxic nitrogen compounds in the water
AmQuel+ removes/detoxifies all forms of chloramines/ammonia/ammonium/nitrites/nitrates from the water
AmQuel+ stability and reliability reduces the need for water quality tests of ammonia, nitrite, and nitrate
AmQuel+ removes/detoxifies toxic pheromones from the water
AmQuel+ does not affect the water's pH (acidity/alkalinity)
AmQuel+ does not interfere with the beneficial nitrifying bacteria or their food sources
AmQuel+ does not interfere with the beneficial sludge-removing bacteria or their food sourcesPRIME

Prime™ removes chlorine, chloramine and ammonia.

Prime™ converts ammonia into a safe, non-toxic form that is readily removed by the tank’s biofilter.

Prime™ may be used during tank cycling to alleviate ammonia/nitrite toxicity.

Prime™ detoxifies nitrite and nitrate, allowing the biofilter to more efficiently remove them.

It will also detoxify any heavy metals found in the tap water at typical concentration levels.
Prime™ also promotes the production and regeneration of the natural slime coat.
Prime™ is non-acidic and will not impact pH.

Prime™ will not overactivate skimmers.

Use at start-up and whenever adding or replacing water.
Which is better? They seem similar to me. Any plus or minuses towards one or the other? I hear the PRIME is basically a water conditioner, where you just add this to the water when you do a water change; of course it also has other benefits. Is AmQuel+ the same?

I currently have AmQuel+ by Kordon (Novalek) that I use whenever I see that Ammonia may be present, which isn't occurring often at all. I use AquaSafe w/BioExtract by Tetra as a water conditioner and EasyBalance w/Nitraban by Tetra for further conditioning. When I do a water change, I put both the AquaSafe and EasyBalance into the water to treat it. Should I just stop the addingo of both of these and just use Prime? or AmQuel+?

[J double R]

not sure about amquel, but a little tiny bit of prime goes a LONG way... IE. 1 drop per gallon, est. that makes it quite economical.

[hitman12131976]

I know AmQuel+ uses 1 Teaspoon per 10 gallons, so Prime would only need 1 mL compared to AmQuel+'s 5mL. I also note that AmQuel+ doesn't treat chlorine in the water, just chloramine.

[Xavi]

All of those products basiclly do the same thing. I'm partial to Amquel+. Pick one and use it.

[davexstumpe]

I know AmQuel+ uses 1 Teaspoon per 10 gallons, so Prime would only need 1 mL compared to AmQuel+'s 5mL. I also note that AmQuel+ doesn't treat chlorine in the water, just chloramine.


Amquel+ DOES treat chlorine in the water. What would give you the impression that it doesnt?

[hitman12131976]

I'm not a chemist, but the AmQuel+ product says it detoxifies chloramine but doesn't specifically state chlorine, like PRIME does. PRIME mentions both. Unless treating chloramine implies that it also treats chlorine. I'm not sure, like I said, I'm no chemist. I own AmQuel+, but I don't use it anymore. Should I be using it during water changes?

[phanmc]

All of the newer water conditioners treats chlorine and chloramine and are effective at doing it. The big difference with Prime compared to Amquel is the concentration, a little bit of Prime will treat more water than a similar amount of other water conditioners.

I use both, Amquel for my small tanks and Prime for my bigger ones. I'm lazy and just use the caps for measurement, a capful of Amquel is enough for a 10-20g tank but a capful of Prime would be overkill.

Oh yeah, all the other "water conditioners" like NovaQua and Easy Balance I don't use, if it's not for treating chlorine or chloramine then it isn't needed.

[dvd_wightman]

I always liked Prime, but its up to you.

[Mgamer20o0]

what ever floats your boat. i use prime only now.

[hitman12131976]

what ever floats your boat. i use prime only now.


No other chemicals, treatments, or anything? I know AmQuel+ is supposed to be used with NovAqua (it's sister chemical that conditions the water) which is why I think Prime is still better as one bottle of Prime does what two bottles have to do. Once my water conditioner is done, I'm gonna get me some Prime.

[hitman12131976]

Just out of curiosity, will the API Master Test Kit work with PRIME properly? I had read how Nessler tests (which are brown hues, I think) won't work with PRIME.

[Mgamer20o0]

never had any problem with mine.

[ThePBM]

sorry for bumping up this old post, but it's topic is still relevant. and this was found using search anyway, so either get yelled at to 'USE THE SEARCH' or get yelled at for bumping old threads, i went this route.

i read someone saying "prime only needs 1 drop (1ml) per gallon" *edit: that was the second response to this thread actually*
but on my bottle of amquel+ it says "A Standard Dose of AmQuel is 1 teaspoon (5ml) of AmQuel+ per each 10 gallons..."

if my math serves me correctly, that means 1 drop (1ml) of amquel treats 2 gallons of water, whereas 1 drop (1ml) of prime vehemently treats 1 gallon of water.

[Star_Rider]

actually 5 ml of prme treats 50 gallons of water. 1 ml(cc) of prime treats 10 gallons
1 ml = 1 cc if you want to get child dosing measure.
I am not sure 1 drop = 1 ml 1 capful of prime is 5 ml I have never seen 5 drops fill up a cap.actually foudn it..there are approx 15-16 drops in 1 cc

[Coler]

AmQuel+


AmQuel+ is nontoxic and saves on the need for as many water changesyou still need 25% weekly AmQuel is not a substitute

AmQuel+ removes/detoxifies all forms of chloramines/ammonia/ammonium/nitrites/nitrates from the water I doubt anything that claims to remove nitrate

AmQuel+ stability and reliability reduces the need for water quality tests of ammonia, nitrite, and nitrate it does not reduce the need for water quality tests and is not a substitute for having a test kit

AmQuel+ removes/detoxifies toxic pheromones from the water Well it would be tough to prove them wrong here

AmQuel+ does not interfere with the beneficial sludge-removing bacteria or their food sourcesWTH are sludge removingbacteria
PRIME


Prime™ removes chlorine, chloramine and ammonia.
Prime™ converts ammonia into a safe, non-toxic form that is readily removed by the tank’s biofilter.
Prime™ may be used during tank cycling to alleviate ammonia/nitrite toxicity.
Prime™ detoxifies nitrite and nitrate, allowing the biofilter to more efficiently remove them.
It will also detoxify any heavy metals found in the tap water at typical concentration levels.
Prime™ also promotes the production and regeneration of the natural slime coat.
Prime™ is non-acidic and will not impact pH.
Prime™ will not overactivate skimmers.
Use at start-up and whenever adding or replacing water.Which is better?

I prefer the way Prime is sold to be honest

[Star_Rider]

I like prime but can't always find the 2 liter bottle.

another product they sell is called safe..it is the dry version of prime but without the buffers.

[Windy]

I have spoken with Seachem the makers of PRIME and they say the good thing about there product is that there is NO danger of overdose. but that doesn't mean you can overdue it by adding lets say 1 drop per gallon for a 20 gallon. It just means that if you go over by a few drops you won't need to worry about anything bad happening to your fish. I use prime myself and its an excellent product.

[Rbishop]

Any product that states...

AmQuel+ is nontoxic and saves on the need for as many water changes

will not get a penny of my money, and goes into my worthless product list.

[BoredAgain]

Any product that states...

AmQuel+ is nontoxic and saves on the need for as many water changes

will not get a penny of my money, and goes into my worthless product list.

A company lying to make more money? That's new. :eek:

[Mgamer20o0]

one drop doesnt = 1ml



sorry for bumping up this old post, but it's topic is still relevant. and this was found using search anyway, so either get yelled at to 'USE THE SEARCH' or get yelled at for bumping old threads, i went this route.

you forgot yelled at for making another new topic lol

[rcaterin1]

[QUOTE=Mgamer20o0;1343804]one drop doesnt = 1ml

approx 10 drops = 1ml

[gmh]

Anquel pllus makes more grandouis claims but it is essentially the same as Prime as far as I can tell. Both will do you well. Just don't waste your money on those other water conditioning products in addition. Pime or Amquel Plus. That's all you need.

[romarbbs]

sounds like prime would be the better of the two. does anyone know if stresscoat is the same ? i have been using that and that is 1 tsp per 10 gal.

[oscaremmy]

I'm not sure if anyone here has read whether Amquel's makers did tests of water quality in labs to be able to claim that it can allow less frequent water changes? It may be that they DID do this research and that it DOES reduce the need for so many water changes. We need to be careful that just because WE think it necessary as part of OUR regime to change water every 3 or 4 days that we aren't denying valid research that would show that doing it every 5 or 6 days (for example) results in the same chemical parameters. If that is true, then the amount of product used is also reduced because you dose less often. Has anyone done that checking with Amquel+'s makers? I use Prime at home and Amquel at work, because my LFS at work doesn't stock Prime. However, I have nothing against Amquel+ but have just used Prime more often.

[stephalpha]

I have used both. I prefer prime.

[ct-death]

I've used AmQuel+, Stress Coat & Prime. I have found that Prime offer the most benefits at the most economical $/per gallon

I'm a converted deciple now :p:

[FtwayneFish]

prime here.

[oscaremmy]

I admit I would have bought Prime if my LFS here had given me the choice. I will just have to get a bigger bottle at home and transport it between home and work! Nothing against Amquel+, but there is merit in sticking with one chemical because its impact becomes predictable. Therefore, anything unusual happening in your tank tends not to be ascribed to that chemical.

[ct-death]

I like prime but can't always find the 2 liter bottle.
I buy my Prime on eBay of all places, it's always been very good and very economical!!! I can check, but I think I pay around $8-10 less for the 2liter than what is listed on Dr. Foster's

[Coler]

I'm not sure if anyone here has read whether Amquel's makers did tests of water quality in labs to be able to claim that it can allow less frequent water changes? It may be that they DID do this research and that it DOES reduce the need for so many water changes. We need to be careful that just because WE think it necessary as part of OUR regime to change water every 3 or 4 days that we aren't denying valid research that would show that doing it every 5 or 6 days (for example) results in the same chemical parameters. If that is true, then the amount of product used is also reduced because you dose less often. Has anyone done that checking with Amquel+'s makers? I use Prime at home and Amquel at work, because my LFS at work doesn't stock Prime. However, I have nothing against Amquel+ but have just used Prime more often.

I'm sure I mean no disrespect to the good people over at Amquel but two questions on what research they may have carried out spring to mind...1) what are 'beneficial sludge removing bacteria' and 2) how does Amquel reduce Nitrates ?

That and the explanation that it does not interfere with the food source of the nitrifying bacteria...maybe they mean that it does interfere with, or quell to borrow a phrase, the food source...which is ammonia...or Am for short :D

I'm just being a wiseass arn't I...but I don't like the way in which the claims made on Amquel's behalf are pitched as opposed to Prime.

[davcheng]

On my bottle of prime it says two drops per gallon of water?

[DAVIDFBT]

[quote=Mgamer20o0;1343804]one drop doesnt = 1ml

approx 10 drops = 1ml

So if the bottle of Prime says, "1ml treats 10 Gallons" then that means that 1 drop would treat 1 gallon?

That's some potent stuff.:eek3:

[dixienut]

i have used both but only used amquell as a newby.. love prime, it rocks since i have m.t.s. it's cheaper for me but i use novaqua for my goldies outside in my horses water tank, cause it is the only conditioner that states non-toxic and safe for all pets/livestock and other animals,..fyi:)

[xyyz]

old topic i know, but i thought i'd add my two cents.

yesterday i did the swap from Amquel+ to Prime. there is one thing i noticed that Amquel+ does a hell of a lot faster.

i have a 29 gallon freshwater tank that's in the process of cycling. as a result, my nitrite levels are around 2ppm. now, when i wanted to reduce the nitrites and i added Amquel+, the nitrites would read 0ppm after about 30-45 minutes.

yesterday, like i said earlier, i made the transition and started using Prime instead. i'm pretty disappointed with it's nitrite nullifying performance compared to Amquel+. according to my testing using API's nitrite test kit, the stuff is either really slow or doesn't work very well in controlling nitrites. i even used 5x dosage allowed to treat nitrite emergencies, as per the directions on the bottle. even now, overnight, the nitrite levels haven't dropped down to zero, the way the Amquel+ did it; they're still at 1ppm.

this is by no means a scientific test, but just my experience with both products.

[SchizotypalVamp]

old topic, but
a)the API masters aren't nessler based
b)Prime claims to remove/detoxify nitrates also, if you look at their website
c)Amquel + claims to remove the fish hormone buildup in the water.

Please see the other threads under the "dechlorinator" tag