Mafia #20 - Pirates of the Carribean the Play

I asked you HN, mainly because you had just posted and I knew you were there to answer me. Yes, I do agree that strong cases were made on both nights. I agree it is usually play normal...but being on an innocent 2 nights that will end in being a known innocent?

I guess, I'm just wondering about DD and Mal, they are two I was leaning pirate, but then this made me think maybe not, or maybe just one of them. What is your opinion of them??

As far as Mad, honestly no...I do not know, I have looked through his post some and so far I really have seen nothing. I have played a couple games with him, but really I don't remember anything except he is a good player as to his style. So I am having a hard time.

I think DD is a pirate as I've stated previously. Not sure about Mal, but my guess right now is that she's on the town's side.

TY for answering about Mad. For YOU to let someone that's a "good player as to his style" slide by in the game speaks volumes.
 
Hopefully this will answer your guys' questions about nightfall...

3rd Night Fall - Friday 8pm Central Time (No UD's will happen this day due to lack of voting.)

I thinking that depending on RB's schedule we will freeze it Friday night after nightfall is completed or Saturday Morning.. What say all of you??

The game will freeze as of this point and I will have RB lock the thread. Nothing will be allowed to occur so people can enjoy the holiday and no one feels pressured to log on to the site.

Game will resume on the 27th of December.
4th Nightfall - December 29th 8pm Central Time (UD's will not happen this day)
5th Nitghfall - Extended till January 2nd 8pm Central Time (UD's resume)
All nightfalls after this point will happen at a normal 2 day interval unless you decide to have them happen sooner. All nightfalls will happen at 8pm Central Time.


I say that those not voting knowing they will not UD tomorrow are Pirates that are holding their votes to save the Captain.
 
Ok, I went through all of Mads posts, really I am not sure. Tell me what I am missing, if I'm missing something here. A couple make me wonder but over all I am finding nothing.

For someone who was so psyched to play in the sign up thread, mee-mee has been noticeably quiet. Also, still no word from JPap...maybe something going on in Minnesota? Paul Bunyan Axe Throwing Championship weekend? :)
I agree, MM and Jpap are both quite.

Based on activities so far, here's a list of folks who bear a little closer scrutiny

Beth - I mentioned it yesterday, but she acted awfully 'wiggy' when questioned. Threatened to not play future games. Immediately threw a vote back at HN when he voted for her.

Grins - Currently pushing others to post more, but has not posted much of substance herself. A lot of giggly posts yesterday about mg hating saltwater, etc.

LG
JL
JM - All 3 of these seemed a little more interested in LChap's pregame avatar analysis than they probably should have been. In addition, JM has been very quiet on Day 1 while JL has been very vocal....what's up with that?

rbishop - As blueiz mentioned, rb seems a little disgruntled this game for some reason. Seemed irritated when JL accused him of bickering with the other mods. Kind of gave Malbri an elbow when she called him 'an old fart' (although, being well on my way to old fartdom I'm not sure how I would react to that). Also seemed to get a little worked up over the mg PM issue. Not sure if these are scumtells, but something seems to be eating at rb...

I'm leaning toward a Beth vote, but would like to see Grins' response first.
Now this is from day one, but it did make me stop, he names 6 ppl, only 2 of them are Pirate. I can see a pirate doing this, I know when I'm evil, I always add a team mate or two out there in my lists...just in case. He has 2 known innocents, 1 assumed innocent, and 1 I know innocent. He kinda calls JM out in this one too, but again..I would do that as evil, if they had been talked about, maybe not vote them but at least throw them in there. But this WAS day one, so really not saying much.

The thing about an OMGUS vote is it shows that the person throwing it may be more interested in saving their own skin than actually finding scum. A quick knee-jerk 'back at you' vote says you're not necessarily thinking or caring much about who you vote for. Not a pro-town move.

As far as placing them, not many folks do...usually newer players. As far as past casters of OMGUS votes, there's been both innocents and scumbags who have cast them (I can think of 3 cases where I've gone after OMGUS voters, and 2 of them were scum).

The thing to remember about any single scumtell, though, is that they don't stand alone. While on Day 1 folks may be forced to use a single tell (as there's not often much else to go on), tells should looked at together with other tells/actions when picking a lynch candidate.
Grins, had asked about why a OMGUS vote is telling. Here he seems to be helpful.

With regard to Beth, now that she's revealed as innocent, it's easy to say she looked more innocent of late...problem is, the damage was already done by then.

As far as you not having time to do any sort of analysis, your 1st post today was nearly 2 hours before nightfall, and an hour or so before nightfall you reaffirmed to Beth that you still thought she was guilty. So I'm not sure why you're saying she was seeming more innocent to you now.

With regard to stronger suspects, I mentioned earlier today (later in Day 1) that rb was starting to look more pirate, based on his claimed random vote for Judge, all while calling LG a pirate in the same post. His more recent silence is reminiscent of when he was lead vampire in the vamp wave.

another person of interest:

LChap: Went after folks who were on Beth early and claimed it was a train, yet he hopped on Beth late. Even after hopping on, he seemed to stick with the train assessment, but said that the pirates were lynching one of their own. Two problems with this: 1) People always bring up the 'sacrificial lamb', but in 20 waves, there's never been one 2) Tossing a teammate under the bus early on Day 1, isn't a very sound strategy - this is a numbers game. Almost looks like he could have been setting things in place for Day 2.
This one actually made me rethink about Lchap and yourself HN, the first part was to you saying how you figured Beth was going to be innocent, but failed to say anything about it. The Lchap and his "train" thing. I see nothing in it that says pirate though on his behalf.

It's pretty rare that someone asks another player in the thread if they've maybe been out investigating. Usually something that would be called 'fishing for a power role'.

If you thought that Judge may have investigative powers, why would you want her to reveal that?
This one, well...it kinda makes me wonder. This was to Grins saying something to JM, actually I think she was more calling JM a pirate than a innocent with investigative powers.

I think that Clown may be alluding to the fact that it appears the Magistrate may trump Cooke's protection one time. If a pirate is outed and sent to the gallows, Cooke can protect them from the lynch for up to 2 nights. Should the Magistrate desire, though, they can imprison the protected party and kill them at will....could come in pretty handy in a race to the finish.
Again, helpful

RB, for me, it's not about who you voted for....the thing is though, you basically implied that it was a random vote (which some folks may do on Day 1). In the same post, though, you basically called LG a pirate. Wouldn't it have made more sense to vote LG instead of the random vote on JM?
Just through this in, so maybe others can remember there was more to Rb looking guilty.

Here's the thing LChap, while I agree with some that you look like you might be trying to find scum, some of the things you say or do give me pause...

In the first quote above you mention that your OMGUS vote will 'make the game interesting with everyone trying to read into it.' If you're truly on the town's side, the idea isn't to have fun while trying to possibly confuse folks. The idea is to have the things you say, and the things you do 'clear' you in other people's minds, so that the townies can concentrate on looking elsewhere. Just a thought.

Additionally, the second quote above looks like you may not be sure about voting rb or JMax at all... the part about maybe moving your vote to someone else entirely seems like an odd thing to say.

Finally,

I vote to make Judgemax walk the plank. Normally I'm not one for trying to keep votes 'even,' but I think that rb and JM are both likely pirates. If voting remains close until later in the day, it could make it harder for Cooke to offer protection to the leading vote getter.
Another one that makes me rethink Lchap. Then his vote for Jmax. Also seems helpful, not Pirate.

Alright, it looks bad that we lost 2 innocents, but it could have been much worse. The night started really well and ended really well. In addition, we now have a least one known innocent that the town can trust.

I've still got a lot of posts to read from today to catch up on the day's events, but here's a status list of folks in the game, for folks interested:

1. bethkira2000 - Dead Innocent
2. Hooked Newbie
3. Blueiz
4. Dangerdoll
5. Lady G
6. IceH20 - Dead Innocent / Guard
7. mee-mee
8. johnlarson66 - Dead Pirate
9. Malbri
10. LesbianChap
11. Lupin - Dead Innocent
12. jpappy789
13. rbishop - Dead Innocent / Guard
14. Mgamer20o0 - Dead Innocent
15. Madcrawdad
16. judgemax - Dead Pirate
17. Grins - Known Innocent
Would of been nice to add a couple thoughts about the folks, but nothing pirate here.

Really by looking over his post, it has made me think more about Lchap.
 
Clown, yes I too think this sounds good.
 
Hooked Newbie
Blueiz
Dangerdoll
Lady G
mee-mee
Malbri
LesbianChap
jpappy789
Madcrawdad
Grins

Ok, I am going to look at things like this, for a minute.

HN/Mad-I believe one to be innocent the other Pirate. I do not think them both to be either. Not sure which I feel is which though at this moment.

MM/Jpap-Same as above, although with these two I could see distancing. Then if you look at JL, it kinda takes me away from MM. Really I haven't seen her play as Pirate though.

Blue/DD-Both have my interest. Blue more then DD actually, I know that sounds weird coming from me, but I have gone back and forth with her the whole game although her after nightfall post, did raise my suspicion again on her. Blue, I have a feeling is pirate.

Lchap/Mal-I am wondering more about Mal at this point. Lchap keeps my interest, but I keep leaning him back toward innocent each time.

Grins/Lady G-Well, I know what I am, and it is not pirate. Grins, really I do believe to be innocent at the moment too. But the way she came at me like she did...really has me wondering. Yes, I know what Clown's posts said...but still I can't quite get a grip on her outburst toward me for mentioning the possibility.

So this leaves me thinking:
Jpap
HN or Mad
Blue & or DD
Mal
I need to re-add Lchap to this now, after re-looking
 
I'll have to go back and look, but there have been claims that LC was being coached coming from those voting for him or fingering him as a suspected pirate.

I don't believe that anyone named someone other than pirates as the probable coach.

Now answer something for me please, where did I say that anyone tried to say I had been coaching LC? Trying to twist my words there DD?

I wasn't twisting at all, Grins but now that I look back on it, I see it was said in jest. Sorry, never meant to make it a big deal.
 
Here is my list...
1.Mad-leaning Innocent, he is usually a hard one to read.
2.JP- leaning Innocent, yes, he has become an experienced player. He does help out. But he did agree with JL, and that had me concerned...
3.LC-leaning Pirate, all of his rantings at everyone.
4.LG-leaning Innocent, she is not going off the hinges as she usually does when she plays.
5.DD-unsure, she is always a hard one to read. No matter is she is good or bad...
6.Blu-leaning Pirate, she has been mostly quiet as of recently. And I have only played one other game with her. So hard to tell.
7.HN-leaning Innocent, he is a little more quiet this game also. But he is always good at finding the baddies...
8.Malbri-leaning Pirate, she is acting like she did when I played another game with her, but she has come out. Uncertain in the beginning but then she comes full circle with her lists out of no where...

This could always change though...and not set in stone...

Thank you G...I did see your list, and the only person that I have a gut feeling about right now is JP. And my gut is telling me he is one of us. A townie. He has become an experienced player, and he does play different when he is a bad person. He is less vocal and less helping. And here he is pulling out all the stops...


I dont think JP is a Pirate...


My late vote for RB was a horrible mistake and I should have kept it on JL. As for me and you being linked (LC), I never thought once about it. And no one else did also. And as far as I am concerned, I don't think you are a pirate also. I have to revise my list. As I said it was not set in stone. And you have helped us out tremendously...


No, it will be locked after the night fall of Friday. And he will still give us what we need...


My gut is telling me that JP is not a Pirate...and yes, now I am defending him...For I don't think he is a pirate...Why the sudden change for me. He is not playing like a bad person..Sorry about that JP...

I dont know meemee...I am having a hard time deciding whether you are really a fellow innocent who thinks I am innocent, or a pirate who expected me to push for your vote today after events last night and didnt want that to happen...

I have a bad feeling about JP myself. I am not sure where my vote is going to end up this time around, but he is looking very suspicious to me. I know he said he would be busy, through out the weekend and Monday, but it is now Thursday (right LOL) and he STILL isn't helping or posting. Yes, when he post it is insightful, but could easily be made to look that way.

I am going to have to look more into Mad, really I haven't looked much at him..because he just hasn't said or done anything to make me wonder about him, with HN vote on him it made me think about him more..not sure what I think, just that I need to look into him also.

But, LG, I didnt say I had a bad feeling about JP anymore. I said my gut tells me he is a Townie...I did in the beginning of the game think he was a pirate but I did change my mind. Even though we were wrong about RB...he did bring some good points about rb...but that was not the case. Alot of us do go to extremes to try and figure peeps out in the game and the majority of the time we are wrong.

The first post concerns me about Lg...the first time this game where I have seen her misinterpret an entire post...meems said like 10 times that she thought I was innocent and then Lg comes back agreeing that I am suspicious?...hmmm

Hooked Newbie
Blueiz
Dangerdoll
Lady G
mee-mee
Malbri
LesbianChap
jpappy789
Madcrawdad
Grins

Ok, I am going to look at things like this, for a minute.

HN/Mad-I believe one to be innocent the other Pirate. I do not think them both to be either. Not sure which I feel is which though at this moment.

MM/Jpap-Same as above, although with these two I could see distancing. Then if you look at JL, it kinda takes me away from MM. Really I haven't seen her play as Pirate though.

Blue/DD-Both have my interest. Blue more then DD actually, I know that sounds weird coming from me, but I have gone back and forth with her the whole game although her after nightfall post, did raise my suspicion again on her. Blue, I have a feeling is pirate.

Lchap/Mal-I am wondering more about Mal at this point. Lchap keeps my interest, but I keep leaning him back toward innocent each time.

Grins/Lady G-Well, I know what I am, and it is not pirate. Grins, really I do believe to be innocent at the moment too. But the way she came at me like she did...really has me wondering. Yes, I know what Clown's posts said...but still I can't quite get a grip on her outburst toward me for mentioning the possibility.

So this leaves me thinking:
Jpap
HN or Mad
Blue & or DD
Mal

Lg, not liking the grouping of people here...doesnt help keeping people off your list because their "partner" is more suspicios

Right now I have:

DD
Mal
Blue
Lg
Mad

And meemee as a small possiblilties. I fully expect people to look at me after my case for rb and the way meeme is starting to look innocent after jl came up pirate...

Hopefully bbl
 
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