Mafia 46: In the Dark

[rich311k]

Interesting, I knew I would be on people's lists since I voted for an innocent. I went with what I thought was right.

I think Ogre is innocent, he just enjoys talking and analyzing probably why he is a fixture in these games. He makes some valid points. The only question I have about Ogre is was the gun thing a lets see what happens when I say this or a scheme by a veteran mafia player to remove some one they thought was dangerous.

I am very wary of noodles and lucky at this point. I keep reading their posts and try to get a feel for them.

C-note seems innocent to me right now, we shall see.

The others, I am waiting for more info.

 

[cjtabares]

I just looked at the last vote count. I didn't count the ones after that. But that just makes my case a little more interesting.

You know...

I'm really hesitant to vote for gunslinger, but I really want to. A vote for him goes against my thinking, but I really want to... sigh.

So you say you never intended to really vote for gunslinger and this was just a trap? Well if that is true you still lead to the lynching of Gunslinger did you not? You would also give the mafia a reason to go after you. None of this reasoning makes scenes to me. If it was a trap you are painting a target on yourself and throwing another person you say you thought was an innocent under a bus.

 

[OgreMkV]

So you say you never intended to really vote for gunslinger and this was just a trap? Well if that is true you still lead to the lynching of Gunslinger did you not? You would also give the mafia a reason to go after you. None of this reasoning makes scenes to me. If it was a trap you are painting a target on yourself and throwing another person you say you thought was an innocent under a bus.

Please, consider the situation up to that point. Gunslinger was all but invulnerable. He was leading the charge against mael and almost everyone in the game was agreeing with him. Who better to act as the goat? Besides, I had previously made some comments about him and thought that mael was more or less innocent at the time too. I couldn't very well pick you could I?

How was I to know that everyone would drop mael like a hot potato and jump on gunslinger?

That's why I think at least (probably two and maybe three) are mafia. The leaders of the VOTES for gunslinger had no real reason to switch... until after my comments. Then and only then did they say something about him being scumy for being so aggressive (or whatever they said).

Now consider this point. The one person whom I declared that I thought to be the most mafia like was THE FIRST PERSON to follow my lead. Doesn't that strike you as odd? Noods disagreed with me. Thought I was nuts. etc... then all of a sudden jumped in a direction that she thought I was leaning.

Does no one else see this?

 

[noodles62]

Please, consider the situation up to that point. Gunslinger was all but invulnerable. He was leading the charge against mael and almost everyone in the game was agreeing with him. Who better to act as the goat? Besides, I had previously made some comments about him and thought that mael was more or less innocent at the time too. I couldn't very well pick you could I?

How was I to know that everyone would drop mael like a hot potato and jump on gunslinger?

That's why I think at least (probably two and maybe three) are mafia. The leaders of the VOTES for gunslinger had no real reason to switch... until after my comments. Then and only then did they say something about him being scumy for being so aggressive (or whatever they said).

Now consider this point. The one person whom I declared that I thought to be the most mafia like was THE FIRST PERSON to follow my lead. Doesn't that strike you as odd? Noods disagreed with me. Thought I was nuts. etc... then all of a sudden jumped in a direction that she thought I was leaning.

Does no one else see this?

now where do you see that i thought you were nuts for talking about guns?

 

[OgreMkV]

now where do you see that i thought you were nuts for talking about guns?

Is that the best defense you have against everything I've said?

 

[noodles62]

Geez, do you read the posts I make? Why would a mafia push so hard against the grain? They don't have to.

John, yeah, I just wanted it out there for the record.

Now we're down four innocents.

I still say noods is mafia. To quote the bard "Me thinks she doth protest too much." I voted for you noods, I said why. I barely said anything more about you, but I believe in my heart that you are one of the best candidates for being mafia. Of course, I thought Coler was the Don last time too...

Really?! :rofl:

Noodles and gunslinger... you guys are making me nervous. It's day one. Only the four commincators can know other peoples roles... and they only know one other. It's true that mafia know everyone else is innocent, but that really doesn't change the problem with your statement.

The other half is 'he's just stabbing in the dark'. Aren't we all. If you can prove to me that you know a mafia and you aren't one yourself, then I'll vote who you suggest. Until then, your statements are just obvious comments that every player with more than two games ought to know.

There's one player that I can always tell when he's mafia because he has a tell. And gunslinger, you are acting like that player, when he's mafia.

There's a loaded question. Do you mean, who do I think the real name is, who do I think I know who is playing under an alias or who I'm voting for?

I forgot what this quote was for... sigh.

THANK YOU. This is what I've been saying all day, but does anyone listen... noooooooooooo.

Yes, it was somewhat vague because I wanted to see who jumped which way. I only got a partial darn it... that's OK. My vote hasn't changed.

The guessing the alias WASN'T THE PURPOSE OF THE POST. One, it's warning. Two, it was a feeler to see who jumped where. Three, you're right it doesn't really matter... unless I'm right about two things... who it is and how they are playing.

Really? How obvious were you?

I agree someone is laughing there rump off in a chat room somewhere, but Maelstrom is about dead last on who that would be. Because, unlike DD's comment, I do think that the mafia wouldn't try something like that. There's no way it has any value for them. If they try it and no one comments on it (like I did), then they stand a really good chance of getting lynched and cutting their strength in half. If they try it and it works, then who's going to get looked at first when the target turns up innocent.

You said "So you're trying to say Maelstrom's vote made sense to you?" No I never even implied that Gunslinger and you know it. You're just firing rounds into the air seeing what happens. Like I said, if Ice wasn't the ref, I'd put every dime I own on you for being Ice.

My vote is for...

I vote to lynch noodles This may change (I am allowed.)

Reasons, as far as I am concerned, she epitomizes the scenario I put forth. Some quite and not very useful posts about inane and obvious things. I think that she's mafia for now.

I'm at work so I'm not going to go digging for the past. However, I think my aggressive comment was more for C-note. He was the super aggro one at the very beginning. Gunslinger too to a degree.

Except for the vote thing, which IMO was a talk starter, Mael hasn't been that aggressive.

OK, I'll try this one more time... and if I get accused of beating a dead horse, then I'm going to scream.

In all the games we've played and I've reffed. There have been, maybe, two instances where some complicated mafia scheme actually worked. The best scheming was actually done by the doc/det team in that one game. The absolute best plan for mafia is stay in the noise and let the innocents tear each other up.

Please keep in mind something here. There are only 2 mafia right now. There are four prople with votes (including me). There's no way all four are mafia, so some players are being confused by goofy statements or things they think are weird or whatever. There's only a 25% chance (I think, I hated probability in school) that one of the four players currently voted for is mafia.

Look at mael, everyone has pretty much agreed that he voted for you, DD, to get the ball rolling and almost randomly... yet he's got the most votes. I'm willing to put a fair bit of money on the fact that NO MAFIA HAVE VOTED YET.

That's why I don't think Mael is mafia. There's no profit in making this move at this point in time.

The mafia are at their best when they have someone else to twist. For example, Gunslinger would make a great mafia candidate. No one is posting anything about him at all. However, he has a ready target in Maelstrom so anything that he (gunslinger) says about maelstrom is going to be something that everyone else agrees with.

At this time, I'd like to point out that no one has even mentioned that gunslinger has at least once been caught saying things that had no basis in reality (about me and caught by me), but everyone is following him.

Now, noodles, she fits MY perfect example of what a day one mafia should be. Helpful, yet not actually saying anything. Talkative, yet not saying very much at all. Other candidates that fit this profile so far are John (of course, where would the game be without me and John at each others throats), chiclids, rich, maybe even opi, jbrad, jarred, and lucky. However many of these are new and depending on the quality and teamwork from the mafia may or may not be excused.

That's the other thing everyone keeps bringing up. The mafia talking, the mafia laughing behind our backs. Almost every game where I've been mafia, it's been pretty much 'good luck'. There have been a few team discussions, but mainly it was 'crap he voted for me, someone say something to get everyone off my case'. This may or may not be true in this instance, I can't say, which is why I'm including a few of the newbies on my mafia list.

Again, based on past play, the most vocal are most likely to be innocent... up to a point.

I'm sure that doesn't answer whatever thing you needed me to answer, but I hope that it explains my position well enough. If you have any questions, I'll try to answer them.

Ta da

I supposed I should be flattered that I fit the Mafia profile so perfectly? Too bad you are so far off the mark, but whatever. You have building your case against me since the start; heck even in the sign up thread! Go ahead and vote....I am through with this argument. I have other players to consider too.....

 

[noodles62]

Anyone else find this whole scenerio odd?

I am sorry i just dont have a good feeling about Ogre, to me he seems to be very deceptive. Looking for some better evidence now just got nerves about the time.

I am not sure how I feel about Orge right now. He has explained his whole mafia tell statement and he seems to have many valid points. I also know he is not that good at being bad.

I am also very uneasy about MC's multi colored and sized post and their proclaimation of DD's innocence and their reasons for it. I am assuming MC has played before, but am unsure.

My vote is on Orge and it appears others feel the same. I am not sure if that is a good thing or not.

Cover up for the pick of the night?

On the note that my hunch would put Ogre tied in votes I RETRACT MY VOTE ON ORGE

don't wanna lose our choice of team mates!

I retract my vote on OrgeMkV and vote to lynch cjtabares

The retraction because your vote put Ogre in a tie is odd. Do you not want to be held accountable for your vote? Afraid lynching an innocent will be blamed on you? Were you advised to change your vote?

Your late vote for Orge and then your late retraction seems very scummy.

Distancing and Ogre is still safe.....

Because i have little proof of it, it was just kind of a felling i was getting. I think this game may be too much for me to handle right now and i may bow out.

Trying to help the townies dont vote for me.

No one has proof of anything!

We are all just poking around. This game is something else, just don't take anything personal. It is just a game. A game that messes with your mind, but for some reason can be addicting.

Hang in there and atleast get lynched.

Threatening to bow out does not help the town (or the townies as the mafia mockingly call them). :lipssealedsmilie:

I know but this game is messing with me. sorry for messing you up john

??? Do we perhaps have a communicating team?

You have not messed me up, I was already this way.

My vote can't be changed. My other choice is MC. Orge is still a good choice. If he is evil, he will be caught. I just did not like your retraction.

I understand well maybe i will stick it out for one more round and since i dont think it will have an effect on the out come of this round I VOTE TO LYNCH OGRE.

And if i did mess anyone up i am truly sorry this game is nutts.

I would be willing to bet a good amount of money that JL and CJ are communicating mafia and their pick for the night was Ogre. Seems like a bit of distancing and covering up on the Ogre factor as well as mess ups w/ the communications.....JMO.

 

[[AC] C-note]

MC, in addition to your limited participation, your late 'random' vote for Lucky concerns me.

Just some questions...How did you 'randomly' settle on Lucky? Also, WHY did you decide to throw a 'random' vote so late in the day? On Day 1 we were looking for 2 mafia...and you had 2 mafia candidates on your list of suspects...so why the random vote?

I am not sure who to vote for at this point...I am going to throw a random vote out. I VOTE TO LYNCH LUCKYDUD13

Here on Day 1 you mention that you've come to some conclusions...myself and Gunslinger are likely scum. Everyone else on your list has been leaned innocent.

After catching up on the 10 plus pages sense I posted last and the vote counts...I have came to some conclusions...BTW I have been busy and not able to post much.

(snip)
dawg has some good points as to cnote being suspicious to me this post says you are Mafia

Gunslinger I am unsure of but my GUESS would be Mafia [AC] players are suspicious in a way.

In response to your list, Gunslinger questions how you could have DD listed as innocent on Day 1.

Mc it's hard to read the end of your post but could you explain why you would guess at me being mafia...I also thought I read something about [AC] players being suspicious. Is that why or do you have other reasons. I'm also concerned with the fact that you have DD as innocent on DAY ONE. How?

One of your responses to Gunslinger is that even though it's Day 1, 'the game has been on for three days...' This seems to be saying that you feel that you've had plenty of time (3 whole days) to read people and decide whether they might be guilty or innocent. You apparently feel pretty good about your list.

Oh and it may be day one but game has been on for three days....

So, if you felt that good about your list...why the late random vote for Lucky?

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FINALLY...I am done reading! You guys sure posted a lot considering we have zero information! You guys almost made me UD

Because that took so long, this will have to be the short version...

I am going to throw Lucky, Gunslinger and Mael off my list as potential suspects. They have made way too much racket and drawn way too much attention to themselves, which doesn't seem very Mafia like to me.

I also feel that people who don't post a lot tend to draw attention to themselves, so for now I am eliminating: Jpap, LG, and Jarred.

C-Notes original "...lynch some mafia" quote at the very beginning was, imo, an innocent shout. So, I have my eye on them.

But, there really is no information out there, and this day was filled with the most inane arguments. So, I feel I cannot narrow down my list anymore...so I am going to roll...because that's really the only fair way to do this. My "gut feelings" always prove wrong, lol.

Therefore, I vote to lynch MostlyCichlids.

Opicana, I found this post of yours interesting...

So the only thing you were able to pull out of several hundred posts from Day 1 was that I said 'lynch some mafia,' which apparently is an 'innocent shout' to you?

Let's look at the fact that in your post, you apparently gave lurkers an innocent pass, as you claim that not posting much tends to draw suspicion. This is extremely interesting, due to the fact that you are a lurker...better give yourself a pass, too. Right?

The questions I have regarding this are, can you please explain why someone implying innocence is a scumtell? Also, which in your mind would be scummier: someone 'shouting innocent' as you claim that I am doing, or someone 'whispering innocent' as you appear to be doing?

Finally, how did you come up with MC for your random vote?

 

[cjtabares]

I would like to take that bet noodles. Last night i just let the game get to me. And you said that I tried to distance myself from John then a few post latter i apologized for messing his voting up dose that make scents, why would i apologize after trying to distance our self?

 

[Opicana]

Opicana, I found this post of yours interesting...

So the only thing you were able to pull out of several hundred posts from Day 1 was that I said 'lynch some mafia,' which apparently is an 'innocent shout' to you?

Let's look at the fact that in your post, you apparently gave lurkers an innocent pass, as you claim that not posting much tends to draw suspicion. This is extremely interesting, due to the fact that you are a lurker...better give yourself a pass, too. Right?

The questions I have regarding this are, can you please explain why someone implying innocence is a scumtell? Also, which in your mind would be scummier: someone 'shouting innocent' as you claim that I am doing, or someone 'whispering innocent' as you appear to be doing?

Finally, how did you come up with MC for your random vote?

Well, the other "innocent shouts" were already mentioned....no reason to point them out...and that was the only thing that I noticed that no one else mentioned. All other areas of interest people, like yourself, have pulled apart.

Well, I don't think my post counts are as low as the people I tossed off the list, but whatever. That really wasn't a "pass" considering I said that people with low posts are more likely to draw attention to themselves for doing so...it just depends on how you look at it. I didn't really nail them down as innocent...EVERYONE is still suspicious...There is really nothing you can draw from night one, people are just grasping at straws...

Hmm...perhaps I should take a look at people who actually DID draw conclusions from useless information...

I did NOT say that the innocent shout was "scummy". If it was...and that was my only conclusion for the evening, don't you think I would have voted for you? I was simply saying it drew my attention, just like the other innocent shouts people mentioned. Without more evidence, it says very little. Hence, the random vote. Putting words in people's mouths however, is Scummy.

How did I come up with MC as my random vote? Randomly...(duh!). I rolled a d10. (Really don't know how that is applicable...random is random).

I find it interesting that since I ever so briefly mentioned your name, you felt the need to rip apart my entire post despite the fact you never listed me in your radar before. A bit defensive, are we?