Mafia #67 - 50/50 -- The Play

[IceH2O]

I'm going to attempt to push the [Translate FF to english] button.

1) FF, If you are really a non-communicating innocent (which is what I interpret this to mean) please remember to use your stickies. Labby is right that "mass posting" is only going to hurt your team.

2) Ok. I think this is what Labby is using as her basis that FF asked mafia to invest him, therefore he must be mafia. Please correct me if I'm wrong. I see FF implying that Labby is communicating because she seems to know he isn't. I interpret the second part as saying that if the mafia investigates him, they will vote for him; and he thinks this will point out mafia.

FF please correct me if I'm wrong.

Please keep in mind that I'm not saying any of this is true, it's just that I see a lot of either miscommunication or word twisting going on. Labby and Jpap seem to have changed the meaning of FF's post. At least the way I read it.

If FF is innocent I agree with JBs interpretation. In FFs mind this would be true. FF doesn't think things out, he types quicker then he thinks.

JB, can I have some of whatever it is you're smoking? You're stretching things way far there. If scum investigates him, finds him as innocent, they'll simply hit him.

And why are you so stuck on defending him? Is he a teammate of yours?

Which is why I see no reason to lynch him today. The innocent team has 1st invest. Lets see what plays out.

1 thing I haven't considered is that each team only gets 2 hits total. I'm sure they'd rather take out more experienced players with those hits.

If FF comes back innocent from an innocent invest there isn't a reason to do anything.
Really if played right don't do anything even if he comes back mafia and make the mafia also use an invest on FF since they won't know if he is communicating or not with the innocent team. If innocents know he is mafia they could find a link to other mafia through him after he joins their team then get him lynched.

If the mafia invest him night 2 and find out he is innocent and communicating since the innocents invested him 1st night they really have no choice but to hit him and that couldn't happen till night 3. By that time we should have some type of idea on who we trust or not so we wouldn't get tricked into lynching him if innocent.

If the Mafia invest him night 2 and find out he is one of theirs the innocent team already knows this.

 

[IceH2O]

Aren't we playing a 50/50 with 2 identical teams? Instead of scum v. town it's essentially Team A vs. Team B. Why would a team's label really force them to behave any differently than the other?

Not identical, its actually 4 teams and the point of this game is to add to your team not so much decimate the other. So invests shouldn't really be used to find the opposite team it should be to find players you think are on your side. But since FF is such a wild card he almost forces the hand.

So you're proposing both teams are going to waste their investigations on FF? Ice, that seems a bit ridiculous. This is a game of numbers for both sides, so for town any dead scum is good dead scum. Scum will do whatever they can to save their own, even those of which they're not 100% sure.

And your argument against me is all semantics. Really, you think #1 suspect doesn't equal who I would vote for? Geez, now you're picking at nothing. I wanted to take more time to think instead of throwing a vote out there prematurely.



So you're saying you think the innocents are going to use an investigation on FF? With this format I think the scum are in need of all the warm bodies they can keep around as well.

So you're so against lynching FF, who would you vote to lynch at this point Ice? Who has been scummier?



Yeah, this is along the lines of what I was thinking too. To me, Ice's arguments don't work with this format.

I don't know if the Mafia would or not. The Innocents need to, either to add to the team or know an known mafia.

If the innocents find FF to be mafia they can either subtly get him lynched or wait another day to do it.

The idea of this game is to add to your team.You can only do this through investigations. So if the mafia think the innocents won't invest FF then they safely can and add him if mafia. If the mafia thinks the innocents invested FF they might not invest him but they won't know what his actual role is.

So actually the innocents don't need to invest FF but do need to make the mafia think they are.


I have no argument against you. What are you trying to fabricate?

Only thing I said about you is that I don't like when people say they will/would vote someone but don't. Hardly an argument towards you.


I have no one over anyone at this point.

 

[Fishfriend1]

LOL.. DD just made my head hurt almost as much as FF does. lmao. I see those points, I guess. But isn't it also possible I could just as easily vote the kid now merely for distancing purposes later? That would accomplish the exact same thing. I mean... I guess if you try hard enough you can really make anything sound scummy if you want to.

Be that as it may, I'm not disagreeing with those saying he seems to have screwed up and he wasn't able to get himself out of that bind. It's just he could be posting without thinking as he does all the time and we're jumping on him rather fast this time. Probably because he was scum last time, I suppose.

For that matter, I'm considering him for my vote too. He's just such an easy vote to place that I'm hoping it's not a knee-jerk reaction. I'm also waiting to see what else develops this day. And whether we vote him out or not, I'm hopeful we keep looking for other suspects as well.

Trust me, it wouldnt be distancing.

I'm going to attempt to push the [Translate FF to english] button.

1) FF, If you are really a non-communicating innocent (which is what I interpret this to mean) please remember to use your stickies. Labby is right that "mass posting" is only going to hurt your team.

2) Ok. I think this is what Labby is using as her basis that FF asked mafia to invest him, therefore he must be mafia. Please correct me if I'm wrong. I see FF implying that Labby is communicating because she seems to know he isn't. I interpret the second part as saying that if the mafia investigates him, they will vote for him; and he thinks this will point out mafia.

FF please correct me if I'm wrong.

Please keep in mind that I'm not saying any of this is true, it's just that I see a lot of either miscommunication or word twisting going on. Labby and Jpap seem to have changed the meaning of FF's post. At least the way I read it.

You are correct.

Well, for starters, asking mafia to investigate you is just plain scummy. Why would he have done this, other than he wants to join their communicating team? He tried to nullify what he said when it was pointed out, claiming he wanted both teams to investigate him. This makes no sense. As day 1 goes, that's pretty scummy. As I questioned him further I asked him if he was trying to role claim as a communicating innocent when he mentioned he could be a communicator. He said he was, then retracted. With as many scum as are out there, I think there is a good chance FF is one of them. It's why he has earned my vote. Obviously I am looking at everyone, but he sticks out as scummiest so far. Tell me JB, how is asking mafia to investigate you not scummy?

If you arent going to believe me then i cant do anything about, you are twisting my idiocy beyond anything ive seen b4.

Distracting and loud would not earn my vote...scummy does. And I am looking at others, you're right up there JB.

But all im doing is being loud(i can understand that this would be scummy, just not good at seeming good)

I vote to lynch FF.

At this point I am unwilling to overlook the fact that FF is a complete and utter distraction. By now it seems he would have grasped the basic fact that a player who posts nonsense and fluff does nothing but clog the thread, making it more difficult for the rest of us to sort through the mess. This is mafia strategy 101.

The fact that he continues to do this from game to game means he is either:

#1: ruint
#2: scum

I admit, I barely even read what he posts. This fact cost me dearly last game, as he was scum, and I not only ignored him, I overlooked him entirely. I realize now that I have to read his posts. All of them. :wall:

I agree that anyone looking for a reason not to lynch FF is likely to be scum as well. There is scum everywhere, and with what posts I have been forced to read I feel my chances of hanging a scumbag here are better than 50/50. Some of his posts are outright covered in slime.

I also feel FF makes a sensible choice for SB if the roles were "tweaked" (I can see Dawg giggling like a schoolgirl over this) but of course this is just a hunch.

JB's posts in defence of FF are suspicious to me. It seems to me he has stuck his neck out, so to speak. I agree with JB on one point, at least FF does have people talking on D1.

If i am SB i would just reveal my role and kill half of you people, then i would have a pretty good chance of winning the game for someone, and therefore myself.
That is an insult to all ruint people out there! And to me!

If FF is innocent I agree with JBs interpretation. In FFs mind this would be true. FF doesn't think things out, he types quicker then he thinks.







Which is why I see no reason to lynch him today. The innocent team has 1st invest. Lets see what plays out.

1 thing I haven't considered is that each team only gets 2 hits total. I'm sure they'd rather take out more experienced players with those hits.

If FF comes back innocent from an innocent invest there isn't a reason to do anything.
Really if played right don't do anything even if he comes back mafia and make the mafia also use an invest on FF since they won't know if he is communicating or not with the innocent team. If innocents know he is mafia they could find a link to other mafia through him after he joins their team then get him lynched.

If the mafia invest him night 2 and find out he is innocent and communicating since the innocents invested him 1st night they really have no choice but to hit him and that couldn't happen till night 3. By that time we should have some type of idea on who we trust or not so we wouldn't get tricked into lynching him if innocent.

If the Mafia invest him night 2 and find out he is one of theirs the innocent team already knows this.

Or, if both invest me and find out im SB i stay and no one ets squat from it. I would have to say that my posts suddenly make sense in im SB, and trying to get lynched and kill 2 people on either team, which would cause the other to win (probably, not 100% chance, just a 50% chance)

Why dont you guys just let me live for today and invest me and tomorrow you can kill me, im not going no where.

I was totally out of it last night (come to think of it, i still am) so plz dont take me realistically for a little while. :cheers:isnt the spring break party awesome?:coffee:

 

[Lab_Rat]

Not identical, its actually 4 teams and the point of this game is to add to your team not so much decimate the other. So invests shouldn't really be used to find the opposite team it should be to find players you think are on your side. But since FF is such a wild card he almost forces the hand.



I don't know if the Mafia would or not. The Innocents need to, either to add to the team or know an known mafia.

If the innocents find FF to be mafia they can either subtly get him lynched or wait another day to do it.

The idea of this game is to add to your team.You can only do this through investigations. So if the mafia think the innocents won't invest FF then they safely can and add him if mafia. If the mafia thinks the innocents invested FF they might not invest him but they won't know what his actual role is.

So actually the innocents don't need to invest FF but do need to make the mafia think they are.


I have no argument against you. What are you trying to fabricate?

Only thing I said about you is that I don't like when people say they will/would vote someone but don't. Hardly an argument towards you.


I have no one over anyone at this point.

Whoa Ice, you just majorly contradicted yourself there...you say this is a team building game, then you say investigations should be used to find your own teammates. Next bit you say that innocents should invest FF, which makes no sense if innocents think he's scum. That's a waste of an invest for the innocents if they think he's scummy.

I'm not trying to fabricate anything, I'm just trying to understand the great inconsistencies in your arguments. Scum team(s) and townie team(s) are equal at this point in the game. What applies to one applies to the other. Why do you seem to think otherwise?

 

[Lab_Rat]

Why dont you guys just let me live for today and invest me and tomorrow you can kill me, im not going no where.

I was totally out of it last night (come to think of it, i still am) so plz dont take me realistically for a little while. :cheers:isnt the spring break party awesome?:coffee:

No way no how FF. Did that last game and look where it got the town...

 

[Dangerdoll]

If you like camel lights, you're in luck! If scum investigates him and then hits him, then let them waste their hit on him, and let's keep looking for a scum candidate with less of a chance of helping the town. I'm not saying he's not scum, I'm saying you seem to have a little tunnel vision going on and it bothers me.


I'll make another post and really breakdown how i read his sentence...
I'm not defending him. I'm calling you and pappy out for a) really early votes and b)an insistence that you know what is going on in the mind of FF... which is surely someplace akin to alice in wonderland meets nightmare on elm st.and c) being short sigted.

Call it defending if you want. What I'm really doing is pointing out that we've interpreted his sentence differently. And I think that the evidence you're using for an incredibly strong "first 15 hours of the game" vote. Especially after saying you don't like early votes. I realize that there was some time between the statement and the vote, but that doesn't prove that you haven't planned it to set him up. It's also entirely possible that you're an innocent beset by an instinct to lynch him after last game and finding scumminess in his posts. It's too early to be sure. Look how sure you were about Coler last game. At about this same point in time.

jb, the thinkg I don't understand is that you are calling pappy and labby out for two reasons.... that's not what I don't understand, what I don't understand is that I don't think Pappy voted yet... were you considering him in your first sentence or your second.. just trying to read it right...

Trust me, it wouldnt be distancing.



You are correct.

If you arent going to believe me then i cant do anything about, you are twisting my idiocy beyond anything ive seen b4.

But all im doing is being loud(i can understand that this would be scummy, just not good at seeming good)

If i am SB i would just reveal my role and kill half of you people, then i would have a pretty good chance of winning the game for someone, and therefore myself.
That is an insult to all ruint people out there! And to me!

Or, if both invest me and find out im SB i stay and no one ets squat from it. I would have to say that my posts suddenly make sense in im SB, and trying to get lynched and kill 2 people on either team, which would cause the other to win (probably, not 100% chance, just a 50% chance)

Why dont you guys just let me live for today and invest me and tomorrow you can kill me, im not going no where.

I was totally out of it last night (come to think of it, i still am) so plz dont take me realistically for a little while. :cheers:isnt the spring break party awesome?:coffee:

FF, why do I get the feeling that you think FF is someone else?

 

[IceH2O]

Lab if you look lower into the post you'll see I said the innocents don't actually have to invest FF just make it look like they are. Since the mafia won't know if they did or not it can force them to have to invest FF. If FF is leading in votes and looks like he is going to be lynched then the mafia can be pretty sure that FF wasn't investigated.

But being the the team with the 1st invest I think it could be a powerful tool to find leads either way.If innocent or SB they can stay away if mafia take him out. They won't even need to be the 1st vote on him. I'm sure if mafia he will screw up again and the innocents can just fall inline with other votes on him.


I'm not 100% positive that my strategy is perfect but I find it a bit disturbing that its being written off so easily. I'm only trying to make it harder on communicating mafia to be sure about their invests by putting thoughts out on what the innocents could do. To not have an open mind 24 hour into the game is a bit suspect in itself.

 

[Fishfriend1]

No way no how FF. Did that last game and look where it got the town...

Well, im not saying that you should ignor them, just dont expect them to be overly complex, and expect me to post some stuff that makes no sense at all.

jb, the thinkg I don't understand is that you are calling pappy and labby out for two reasons.... that's not what I don't understand, what I don't understand is that I don't think Pappy voted yet... were you considering him in your first sentence or your second.. just trying to read it right...



FF, why do I get the feeling that you think FF is someone else?

IDK

This took me about 5 min to type.

yours truely, Mr. Screwy:screwy:
IM a littLE :sick:

 

[AnniesNotOK]

Trust me, it wouldnt be distancing.



You are correct.



If you arent going to believe me then i cant do anything about, you are twisting my idiocy beyond anything ive seen b4.



But all im doing is being loud(i can understand that this would be scummy, just not good at seeming good)



If i am SB i would just reveal my role and kill half of you people, then i would have a pretty good chance of winning the game for someone, and therefore myself.
That is an insult to all ruint people out there! And to me!



Or, if both invest me and find out im SB i stay and no one ets squat from it. I would have to say that my posts suddenly make sense in im SB, and trying to get lynched and kill 2 people on either team, which would cause the other to win (probably, not 100% chance, just a 50% chance)

Why dont you guys just let me live for today and invest me and tomorrow you can kill me, im not going no where.

I was totally out of it last night (come to think of it, i still am) so plz dont take me realistically for a little while. :cheers:isnt the spring break party awesome?:coffee:

Sorry FF, my intent wasn't to insult you, or any of the other ruint ones that may be reading along.

I do however, find this post alarming. Seems like a contrived excuse to me.

I have a couple questions.

What do you mean by you were "out of it"?

Have you been out in Sonova Beach raiding my marijuana crop? Perhaps making a move on my dearly sainted sister AndiesNotOK? You're a tricksy hobbit.

Or are you by this claiming to have been drunk when you made last nights posts? Aren't you 15 or 16 years old and live with your father?

 

[Lab_Rat]

I'd forgotten that the nights that town or scum can investigate are different, so what you're saying makes a bit more sense now. I still don't see why I shouldn't vote for who I feel is the scummiest. Maybe someone will do something more scummy before nightfall and I'll change, but you gotta admit, what FF has done is quite scummy for day 1. I doubt there will be much better to go on today.

You say you have no one over anyone at this point...do you expect to see something really scummy before nightfall? If you are against voting out FF, how will you decide who gets your vote?