Mafia #67 - 50/50 -- The Play

[IceH2O]

I disagree Lab that the SB is evil. The SB is a wildcard that could be a plus for the town if 2 mafia are the last on him or if the mafia hit them,in both cases they lose players. How is this evil? It is true the opposite could happen and innocents can die but if it can happen to either how do you come to the conclusion evil and has to go?

Here is my reason in case you'd like to reference it. It was in reference to Lab who surprise surprise also sees the SB as a purely evil role.

 

[Lab_Rat]

If LR isn't scum, why does she need defending?

I don't, I can take care of myself. In fact I have no idea why he's defending me. Still doesn't mean I think he's scum, maybe I just know how he is so his actions haven't struck me as scummy like some of you guys think they are.

 

[jpappy789]

Kashta:

1) A dead mafia is a good mafia. In this game if the CM team can recruit successfully the two chances they get then they have a considerably bigger advantage than limiting their possibilities and keeping more mafia in the dark. I do understand that the CI's have the same opportunity but why leave it to them to even up the chances? We should be taking out mafia every chance we get. Leaving scum-FF around only lets the CM team get the opportunity to recruit him since if the town is at the point where we decide to let FF stay around even if he is mafia I think you can assume the CM team have caught onto the fact that he's most likely a teammate.

2) It has already been discussed numerous times that FF was most likely without a team. JB admitted this flaw in his logic. I will emphasize that it was a HUGE flaw since it know longer left us with any reason to leave FF around. Without a team there is nothing to slip up so we are no longer left with a "keep FF around to help us" argument but "keep FF around because I don't know if he is scum or not." That's individual interpretation and no longer a benefit to the town collectively when it's obvious that not everyone who voted for FF was scum.

3) Even if FF was on a team or was recruited before we decided to lynch him all he is is a distraction. What can we consider to be a slip up? The team could feed him lies between truth and we wouldn't know what to believe. We've already seen that a team can effectively keep him under their control.

The whole point is that by the time JB even suggested it, FF and any potential mafia out there were well aware that a good portion of the town was already on to him. So your comparison has little merit.

 

[jbradt]

I post what I can, when I can. I'm a firm believer in quality over quantity.

That hurts my feelings Lab. Also makes me think what the hell else "pro town" I could have been doing. Believe me, I thought FF was a scumbag, and once that was proven, I had a sweet list of suspects for today. That list got tossed in the trash.

I agree Tank is a clueless noob. Innocent I hope, because I don't see anyone rattling his cage at this point without looking like an opportunistic scumbag. If he's scum, he's quite likely gonna skate through this game relatively unharmed.

That being said, I do think the whole FF fiasco did generate at least one good lead. JB and his "pocket mafia" ideas.

I have you leaning innocent at this point, and will be watching carefully those that will be pushing for your lynch today. I believe you just thought you had a scumbag in your crosshairs, no different than me.

While some may argue I am being led down the garden path by a pretty Doctor, I guess that still beats plowing fields with my retarded sister.



So let me get this straight JB. With scumbags in every direction, behind every tree and under every rock, with evil lurking just a coin flip away as Mad might say, you have NO suspects. Not even one?

I have at least three suspects at this point. Pretty good ones too IMO. You're one. When I get home from work I'm going to spend some time reviewing your posts, particularly your ideas about pocket mafia.

Noods is next on my suspect list. Lurking in the shadows, constantly getting "caught up" are surefire scumtells. I'm always trying to get "caught up" when I'm a scumbag. I think a few votes on Noods would get her posting.

Then Rich. Rich who you might ask? Seems he only posts after his name is mentioned, is very non committal, and even stated he voted for FF to stop the conversations about him, not because he found FF's posts particularly scummy.

Annie... 1)FF was your best suspect yesterday, so I'm sure you'll excuse me if I pay no attention to your thoughts whatsoever. 2) I will say that I never said I didn't have a suspect.

Just want to be sure I don't get accused of posting to little.

I think Jb is scum. He is picking his spots to say see, side stepping questions beautifully.

I think LR is innocent and yesterday is just her overdrive personality thinking she was on to something.

I did vote just to shut FF up. Probably will again.

I have no real thoughts on any one else just yet. I stink at getting feels from inane drivel. I will just keep plucking along.

Thanks for the compliment, Rich; but I'm not sidestepping, I'm out and out ignoring at this point.

JB how can you not have any suspects 1 way or the other or even just an idea of who you think. I know you've said Jpap and Lab but you really have no opiions on anyone else at all?




Statements like this always raise a red flag in my mind.






If Lab and Jpap have been singled out then why aren't they considered your top suspects?



What are your thoughts on Mad then Annie? He hasn't really kicked many bushes and the questions he asked have been mostly to Tank,plus he voted FF.





In a game where numbers mean everything you were willing to vote out a player not because he was scummy but because he was a distraction?



I feel like I need to agree with Jpap on this. You said you prefer quality over quantity but there isn't any quality to a post that just repeats what others have said.





I again have to agree with Jpap. I can't see how these 2 reasons can be switched.

Ice... 1) See my response to Annie, 2) I'm not going to explain myself. You guys are just going to read into it what you want anyway.

This is a continuation of my morning post which I'll quote so its all together.




Covered Lab and DD now the rest


Mad- Not kicking bushes and when he has its been mostly directed at Tank. I was very surprised that Mad interpreted the post the way he did.

Rich has moved up. His post seem almost like he is annoyed that he is being asked questions. To go from thinking Lab scummy and then innocent based on the exact same reasoning is disturbing in the least.

Annie- quite the follower this game, no real original thoughts even though he thinks quality is better then quantity he hasn't posted anything of either.

Noods is to quiet.Says she doesn't have time for the game.I'm okay with that. But since she is posting you'd think the posts would be of substance not fluff.

Dag- I believe is on the same team as Lab she even posted a protection of him in a post I'll find after dinner.

JB has been non commital even though he is thinking along the same lines as I am. Man up dude.

Jpap I'm wavering a little bit on. I thought he was for sure scum and still could be but I like his questions today.

Tank no clue really.Could be distancing with the questions from Mad that are softballs. Or Mad knows if he went hard after him we'd be on him like we are Lab.


I'm leaning the others innocent for now. Kash,JL,Wiz

Kash hasn't posted much but I like the quality.

Ice... I've mentioned before that I don't do things because I'm told to. Likewise I don't respond well to being called chicken, or pressured into doing anything until I'm ready. This time is no different.

No, it's not. I voted to lynch FF because I found what he said to be scummy. In hindsight, I should have taken about 10 steps back and re-evaluated the situation, but when each post seemed scummier than the previous I just kept going with it. A couple of hours before nightfall the doubt started creeping in...by that time it was too late to change course.

I am voting for JB for a couple of reasons. He made the claim that it was more valuable to keep FF around even if FF was scum. In this format, that claim does not make any sense to me. When it's a numbers game that's this close, keeping scum around does not help the town in any way, unlike last game where keeping Noods around afforded protection for the IW (at least if the IW was hit it would help the town). Additionally, JB has not been pulling posts and kicking bushes like he normally would. Now that I point this out, I wouldn't be surprised if he starts doing so. Last game was the same way...I had him leaning scum, then he started playing his usual game so I moved him back to the idk zone. That was a huge mistake.




Annie, that was a marvelous guilt trip, topped by a hefty dose of flattery you put forth...do you really think I'm shallow enough to fall for that? Why did you feel the need to employ such tactics? This does not make me think you're innocent...makes me think you're trying to make yourself look good for when I get lynched and show innocent.



I'm seeing a lot of Noods testing the waters and going with the flow, her observations and suspects mimicking the attitude of the town at the time of her posts. Making no waves, blending in, not committing one way or the other on anything of substance. I do hope she follows up with her promise to step up and play, and I hope she puts forth some original thought/theories.

And Kash, I'm sorry to say you're going to be disappointed in my role...

Labby... nope, no need to worry about that.

Given the pressure that I'm seeing, and the penchant that the whole town has for seeing what they want, not what's really there; I'm keeping my thoughts to myself for a while longer. If you think that's anti-town, then vote for me.

The other reason that I'm not going to post more now is that right now my mindset is that "the town" is an idiot. Keep in mind I don't feel that way about any given individual, but when we get together we couldn't reason our way into a discount at Walmart. In this state of mind, my posting will not be helpful.














Kash... thanks for having some goddam sense...

 

[IceH2O]

Good Lab you're here wanted to ask a question.

Yesterday you were convinced I was scum. Why the vote on JB? Think it will be easier to get votes on him and not me?

 

[jpappy789]

I think I've explained why the SB isn't evil. Would you explain why he is?

Ice, Dag never said the SB was evil...he said the role isn't INNOCENT.

 

[IceH2O]

Annie... 1)FF was your best suspect yesterday, so I'm sure you'll excuse me if I pay no attention to your thoughts whatsoever. 2) I will say that I never said I didn't have a suspect.

Thanks for the compliment, Rich; but I'm not sidestepping, I'm out and out ignoring at this point.

Ice... 1) See my response to Annie, 2) I'm not going to explain myself. You guys are just going to read into it what you want anyway.

Ice... I've mentioned before that I don't do things because I'm told to. Likewise I don't respond well to being called chicken, or pressured into doing anything until I'm ready. This time is no different.

Labby... nope, no need to worry about that.

Given the pressure that I'm seeing, and the penchant that the whole town has for seeing what they want, not what's really there; I'm keeping my thoughts to myself for a while longer. If you think that's anti-town, then vote for me.

The other reason that I'm not going to post more now is that right now my mindset is that "the town" is an idiot. Keep in mind I don't feel that way about any given individual, but when we get together we couldn't reason our way into a discount at Walmart. In this state of mind, my posting will not be helpful.














Kash... thanks for having some goddam sense...

I'm glad you pulled that Lab post and bolded that line about you not kicking bushes. The ending really raise flags.

Lab you've put JB into a spot by saying I bet he starts now that I've pointed it out.

If he does you can say see scum trying to save himself by looking innocent, that isn't protown. Why would you dare anyone to start kicking bushes is just trying to blend?

 

[IceH2O]

Ice, Dag never said the SB was evil...he said the role isn't INNOCENT.

Thanks Dag, I mean Jpap. Why the defense?

Not innocent still doesn't mean should be voted out, SB is still a possible help to the innocent team.


What is your take on the SB? What is everyones take on the SB?

 

[Lab_Rat]

Good Lab you're here wanted to ask a question.

Yesterday you were convinced I was scum. Why the vote on JB? Think it will be easier to get votes on him and not me?

If you look back, you'll see I've thought JB was scum from the time he started defending FF. In fact, on the sliding scum scale, JB is significantly more scummy than you are imo. Right now my vote is on who I feel is scummiest. Sorry Ice, you're not it.

 

[jpappy789]

Seems two of my top suspects have their panties in a bundle (figure of speech, not implying anything here since that would just cause more drama).