Mafia #70: The Time Vortex

[OgreMkV]

Still not caught up with a lot of what went on yesterday, but trying to stay up-to-date, with plans to catch up later today/tonight.

Ogre, what do you think of Lab's last-minute question, asking where she should place her vote as N1 fell?

Not sure what you want to hear from me. You asked me about LG yesterday and Ogre asked me about Z.

The whole LG train got started because she said 'fish' and then 'RAT'...I was also accused of saying 'fish'. As I said, I wasn't jumping on-board with that.

With regard to Z, his play is off this game, but as I told Ogre, I wasn't ready to lynch Z because of it. I recall you actually agreeing with me on that statement yesterday.

Kind of unusual that you would ask this question, as you saw my responses yesterday... You specifically asked me about LG, and agreed with me about Z.

I'd like to address this, but I'll wait until after Zaffy answers first.

Why's my name coming into this?

I was going to say that I didn't think too much of LabRat at this point... but then I read his complain about DD and his vote on her.

That... to me makes absolutely no sense. DD has never been voted before this point. She's been discussed, but not like Z, LadyG, and Wiz for example. This vote doesn't really help.

It almost as though he doesn't want to commit to anything. There's not even a good reason and the primary discussion of the day (AFAIC) wasn't even mentioned.

The mafia-o-meter is moving upward...

Because I think that John and Noods both respect your opinion on things. Since they both agree with me that Zsand is evil, but they just aren't happy with the remaining conclusion that they may be evil themselves.

Im getting worried. Why are you so defensive? If you really didnt care that they disagree then why are you arguing?

I'm not being defensive... I'm wanting to know why Noods and John are being so defensive. Do you see the difference?

I present some data and an analysis and draw a conclusion that they didn't like.

In return I get attacks on my character. That I don't care about.

Personally, it seems stupid to agree with me about Z and not agree about other comments that use the same procedure.

What's even funnier is that when Z is found out to be mafia, then I will effectively declare John AND Noods clear. You don't hear them *****ing about my logic on that half of the discussion do you?

I really did not think my statement was harsh at the time. Strange that Ogre did.

Strange that you bring it up. What's the point John? If you have something to say, then say it.

So, are you OK with me thinking you're innocent if Z is mafia?

 

[noodles62]

Is the Lab worker a town PR? If so then no one answer that!

This has already been discussed. How about reading some of the other posts besides the ones directed at you? It would help you immensely.

 

[rich311k]

DD I am not a liar. I think you could have found a nicer way to say that. I obviously meant who started with code words that resulted in Lady G getting lynched.

My statement was early the day before and correct though not really believed on day one.

I don't see what you thought you would gain from even saying it.

I vote to lynch Z.

He has not been very straight forward and I think we need to find out what he is.

 

[Kashta]

I still have some reading to catch up on but I saw this and wanted to check first.

In my games, I believe, the lab worker was a townie, but with a whacko desire to be evil. He counted as an innocent. By jpappy's statement, I took it as if the lab worker was offered to use a vial but did not respond.

Just pulled all the nightfall posts from Pappy.

IT IS NIGHT

The first night's lynching was favorable to the town...with the mafia down one early, do they have enough influence to affect the lynch?...or is the town already looking in the wrong direction?...either way, the town's choice is relatively clear...

Lady G was innocent

This was the lynch.

The mafia, excited with the lynch, quickly decide to use the time period to their advantage...they grab their victim, strap them down, and insert the needle...within seconds, the person's genes have been altered...the evil scientists have gained another member...

This was their turn.

The town is not without help...a pair of bio engineers have come up with a serum to raise one of their own back from the dead...they decide to test it on last night's victim...lucky for them it works...

Rich is back in the game.

The disgruntled lab worker, however, is no where to be seen...

This sounds like two events in one post, the town's resurrection and something about a disgruntled lab worker that was not explained further.

When Rich was killed, he was innocent. I think Pappy's writing is clear about this because he said they raised one of their own and they were lucky it worked. So Rich was innocent before and he still is now. There must have been a possibility then that the serum might not work.

In any event, I don't see any possibility that Rich came back as a turn for the other side. If someone else thinks Rich was turned instead, can you explain that?

Once again the mafia decide that they have stayed their welcome in this time period...the machine is turned on and the town is whisked to another moment in time...

The year is 1692 and mass trials are occurring in every neighboring town...ACville seems to be the latest one infected with the paranoia of dark magic...those out at night claim to hear the cackling of the evils from the shadows of the forest surrounding the town...

A few of the townspeople themselves have taken to magic in order to rid the village of the madness...one, in particular, is determined to make up for what happened the previous nightfall...

GAME ON!

Nightfall will be Tuesday again at 8 PM central time.

That sounds like witches to me too, so I didn't question the Witch Hunt game link posted.

DD if you disagree with that, is there another game you have in mind?

I think the disgruntled lab worker was the turn.....???

What makes you think this, Noods? Please expand on that for us.

I do not remember a witch hunt game back before I paid any attention to these games.

I would think the disgruntled lab worker would be a wild card kind of character.

Another possibility was suggested by Rich about the lab worker.

Crap, stinking formatting again.... :swear:. I feel like I should be wearing a helmet for all the times I've messed that up so far.

Anyway, sorry to see you go LG... Glad to have Zombie Rich in the game. Am I wrong or is he pretty much confirmed innocent at this point?

I think he is. Whoever doubts that should post something so we can look at it.

Looking through what I found, I tend to agree with Rbishop that the lab worker didn't use a vial they could have.

 

[the wizard]

DD, I pulled your posts Saturday and you didn't see fit to reply. I went back to my post and pulled part of it again for 2 reasons.
1)Most of the points are moot now due to the lynch

2)You have made a few posts today that from what I am reading do nothing but spread confusion.

this post got me to thinking... not only did Z vote for ILM, but Labby did too... yes, Labby did try to change her vote at the very last moment... not sure if that was just to make it look good or what... all I know is that Labby is a pretty savvy player.

This was a response to Mad's post that I posted below for reference. You agreed that ZS voted ILM, but, quickly pointed to LR and her actions that she was already questioned about by several including myself. Neglecting to acknowledge the point Mad was making in his post about the reason ZS voted ILM. That is, "just to keep everyone guessing"

Something that's interesting about Z's ILM vote is the reason that he gave...something like 'just to keep everyone guessing'. If you're town, it's better to establish yourself as such, through your actions, as opposed to claim to be getting your kicks by confusing others. Z knows that.

the quote doesn't pick up what Dawg is quoting, but it's from this same page, just scroll up.... I picked this because I am curious as to why you found the posts interesting, Dawg. You know as well as anyone else that whether HN was Mafia or not, he wouldn't use foolish behavior as he is calculated, sometimes intensely. I know this doesn't say much because he did indeed turn up mafia but from experiences in the past, you know as well as anyone else that Hooked would not need to follow anyone around. He's no noob and shouldn't be thought of as one... that's all... I find it interesting that you believe he would in fact play a child's role when playing the game.

Defending known scum's game play when it was obvious enough to everyone else he placed an opportunistic vote. So obvious that it got him lynched.

DD, I admit that I was looking at ZS just as much as others were, but, your desire to gloss over points made by others, quickly re divert attention and as I said attempt to spread confusion makes me think I would be just as comfortable lynching you.

I vote to lynch DD.

 

[johnlarson66]

I was going to say that I didn't think too much of LabRat at this point... but then I read his complain about DD and his vote on her.

That... to me makes absolutely no sense. DD has never been voted before this point. She's been discussed, but not like Z, LadyG, and Wiz for example. This vote doesn't really help.

It almost as though he doesn't want to commit to anything. There's not even a good reason and the primary discussion of the day (AFAIC) wasn't even mentioned.

The mafia-o-meter is moving upward...

Because I think that John and Noods both respect your opinion on things. Since they both agree with me that Zsand is evil, but they just aren't happy with the remaining conclusion that they may be evil themselves.



I'm not being defensive... I'm wanting to know why Noods and John are being so defensive. Do you see the difference?

I present some data and an analysis and draw a conclusion that they didn't like.

In return I get attacks on my character. That I don't care about.

Personally, it seems stupid to agree with me about Z and not agree about other comments that use the same procedure.

What's even funnier is that when Z is found out to be mafia, then I will effectively declare John AND Noods clear. You don't hear them *****ing about my logic on that half of the discussion do you?



Strange that you bring it up. What's the point John? If you have something to say, then say it.

So, are you OK with me thinking you're innocent if Z is mafia?

Ogre, is this just some attempt to annoy me to death? How in the world do you think I respect Lab's (who is a she) opinion on anything? Can you show some reason.

Also why in the world are you teaming me and noods up?

One other point, even when ZS comes up mafia, I doubt you will or would clear me. I have voted to lynch teamates before, I think you were one of them. I am sure you will be quick to point that out.

To me it seems like you are doing everything possible to keep your vote on ZS, but not get him lynched.

Why are you not leading the charge on ZS?

 

[Lab_Rat]

I was going to say that I didn't think too much of LabRat at this point... but then I read his complain about DD and his vote on her.

That... to me makes absolutely no sense. DD has never been voted before this point. She's been discussed, but not like Z, LadyG, and Wiz for example. This vote doesn't really help.

It almost as though he doesn't want to commit to anything. There's not even a good reason and the primary discussion of the day (AFAIC) wasn't even mentioned.

The mafia-o-meter is moving upward...

...

I'm a she, Ogre. :hi:

Did you read what I wrote about DD? I don't understand where she's been coming from and find her behavior very odd. So since she's not been voted for before, is there some unwritten rule that I cannot vote for her? That it automatically makes me scum if I do?

I actually tend to commit way too much and get too focused on one thing. Trying not to do that this game. I was going back and forth in my head between LG and Zs last nightfall, I had thought you had made some good points about him. LG just seemed scummier to me at the time.

Your play seems to have changed since last night, thought I can't put my finger on exactly what is different.

I can see a case against Zs, Zaffy also has my attention. But right now, I'm fine with my vote on DD. I can always move it if I change my mind or other evidence surfaces.

Do you not find DD's posts today concerning?

 

[Lab_Rat]

How in the world do you think I respect Lab's (who is a she) opinion on anything?

:silly:

 

[the wizard]

For a group of people that don't like trains, there seems to be a lot of them forming this game.

I have made no secret about what I think about ZS and his play, I have also looked into a few other players.

I myself would feel fine with a DD/ZS race for day three.I think DD has tried to cover for him according to what I read in her post and I think she has been posting to confuse with the exception of the fluff and filler posts or the one line "good point" posts.

I can't recall one post of hers offering that she has done anything to help the town. Only to blend in. which to me is scummy.

 

[Kashta]

LAB worker
LAB_rat. Any opinions?

Also, who wasnt around last nightfall?

FF, unless you're absolutely certain a role is evil, never link it to another player in the game by name. Doing so only helps the mafia and hurts the town.

clicked post to soon.

And why the emphasis on "NOTHING HAS CHANGED"? Something most definitely has changed, or else you wouldnt mind people saying so.

I'm inclined to agree with this.

right, we're no longer in the bandlands game (which there were 4 or 5 of them), but neither are we in the witches game.... and so is why I questioned why you were posting the rules to that one... if you were posting the rules to the witches... showing or trying to show yourself as helpful, why not do the badlands was where my curiosity was...

just when did we go from thinking it was biolands to thinking it was the witches?

Read nightfall, DD. The badlands game was yesterday and we're in another game today... presumably witches.

How would you not already know this?

"found" = seen(JPap's words). So based on this I think it is safe to assume that they only got one turn last night, not two. :grinyes:

Okay, Noods. Nevermind my earlier post where I asked you to expand on your interpretation.

I was going to say that I didn't think too much of LabRat at this point... but then I read his complain about DD and his vote on her.

That... to me makes absolutely no sense. DD has never been voted before this point. She's been discussed, but not like Z, LadyG, and Wiz for example. This vote doesn't really help.

It almost as though he doesn't want to commit to anything. There's not even a good reason and the primary discussion of the day (AFAIC) wasn't even mentioned.

The mafia-o-meter is moving upward...

Because I think that John and Noods both respect your opinion on things. Since they both agree with me that Zsand is evil, but they just aren't happy with the remaining conclusion that they may be evil themselves.



I'm not being defensive... I'm wanting to know why Noods and John are being so defensive. Do you see the difference?

I present some data and an analysis and draw a conclusion that they didn't like.

In return I get attacks on my character. That I don't care about.

Personally, it seems stupid to agree with me about Z and not agree about other comments that use the same procedure.

What's even funnier is that when Z is found out to be mafia, then I will effectively declare John AND Noods clear. You don't hear them *****ing about my logic on that half of the discussion do you?



Strange that you bring it up. What's the point John? If you have something to say, then say it.

So, are you OK with me thinking you're innocent if Z is mafia?

I pulled this to note Ogre now seems to be defending DD and implicating Lab Rat. I also fail to see how Ogre fails to see why he's been called out for back tracking.