Evolution vs. Creation
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Mako said:
That's probably because the people who wrote the Bible couldn't possibly imagine an Earth before people existed (which is why they stated that in the book). Humanity has evolved in the last thousands of years: have we not progressed technologically?
Tah! I prefer Blue Cheese and Ranch dressings on a good Antipasto (sp?).
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Leo it has anchovies in it- eeeew. I buy his red sauce though. On a random note Paul Newman ran over my Dad's foot with a moped at some sort of car race once. Evidently he apologized, they had a nice chat, and my Dad had no idea who he was.
Hey, I'd like to give a high five to the other "neither" in the poll..just noticed...
I chose "neither" because none of the options fit what I believe...how about you?
I chose "neither" because none of the options fit what I believe...how about you?
From Dale's GCC rules in the sticky posted atop the forum:
I haven't checked in this thread for a few days and I'm surpised it's still open...
JIm
I haven't checked in this thread for a few days and I'm surpised it's still open...
JIm
Actually I do too, but if Caesar was still alive I'm sure he would make great pasta sauce.Leopardess said:
Aggh I am running short on time. this is the busiest time of year for me so I onlyn have time to check in now & then, but bear with me...Watcher74 said:
Sorry bout that
Alright, enough people are starting to hoot about this thread, I better make my point and vamoose.
Any concession that people make that says the Bible is not literally true is a small step toward humanity dismissing the Bible altogether.
One point that has already been universally dismissed by humanity is the fact that the Sun does not go around the Earth. The Bible makes several comments that the Sun does. Even one passage that talks about God making the Sun sit still. When in truth God would have had to make the Earth sit still to achieve the affect the Bible talks about.
The next that is in the process of being universally dismissed by humanity is the literal implication that the Bible makes about the World existing only 6,000 years. Many religious people reconcile this by saying "A thousand years is like a day....yadda, yadda, yadda" That is a concession toward dismissing the Bible altogether.
The point I was trying to make with Mako(who happens to be frustratingly slow in response) is that before Jesus came to Earth, humanity had to sacrifice an animal every year to wash the stain of sin from their soul. One animal purified one soul for one year. After that, you better hope you die really quickly before you made the smallest sin or you went to Hell. It wasn't working. Everyone was going to Hell(except for the occasional exception, when a human would have a heart attack with the bloody, sacrifical knife still in their hand).
So God changed tactics. Sent his son to be the sacrifice to cover everyone forever.
Which implies that God is not all knowing, and made a mistake. Even though he created Humans, he did not know how imperfect we were and did not realize that the old way would not work with us.
Another big issue, is the difference between the Old testament and New testament.
Old testament...hail and brimstone, slaughter every man, woman, and child.
New testament...love thy neighbor, turn the other cheek.
Another tactical move on God's part?
He changed his mind? Modified his stance to better handle things? Old ways weren't working out? Relized that he had made another mistake?
For many, many years I kept modifying my views so I could learn about scientific achievements that were occuring. The universe, the history of the Earth, evolution. I reconciled, pushed out literal views, made concessions. Trying to get enough of the scripture out of my way so I could study all the fascinating insights humanity was making in all the different fields.
You have to mangle the Bible to do that. Eventually I realized that if the word of god was so screwed up that I had to do that, then obviously it could not be the word of god.
Now all the creationists here will come up with a thousand different ways to shout that this is not true.
Heck, a couple years ago, I would have done it too.
But let me clue you in on something.
If you believe in Microevolution but not Macroevolution to reconcile the Bible to reality, you are making a concession, and a first step toward dismissing the Bible altogether.
If you believe that the Earth is not literally 6000 years old, you are making a concession, and a first step toward dismissing the Bible altogether.
If you believe that the Earth goes around the Sun and not the other way around, you are making a concession, and a first step toward dismissing the Bible altogether.
And I'm not even going into the whole flood thing.
Whether you admit that to yourself or not, you are.
Any concession that people make that says the Bible is not literally true is a small step toward humanity dismissing the Bible altogether.
One point that has already been universally dismissed by humanity is the fact that the Sun does not go around the Earth. The Bible makes several comments that the Sun does. Even one passage that talks about God making the Sun sit still. When in truth God would have had to make the Earth sit still to achieve the affect the Bible talks about.
The next that is in the process of being universally dismissed by humanity is the literal implication that the Bible makes about the World existing only 6,000 years. Many religious people reconcile this by saying "A thousand years is like a day....yadda, yadda, yadda" That is a concession toward dismissing the Bible altogether.
The point I was trying to make with Mako(who happens to be frustratingly slow in response) is that before Jesus came to Earth, humanity had to sacrifice an animal every year to wash the stain of sin from their soul. One animal purified one soul for one year. After that, you better hope you die really quickly before you made the smallest sin or you went to Hell. It wasn't working. Everyone was going to Hell(except for the occasional exception, when a human would have a heart attack with the bloody, sacrifical knife still in their hand).
So God changed tactics. Sent his son to be the sacrifice to cover everyone forever.
Which implies that God is not all knowing, and made a mistake. Even though he created Humans, he did not know how imperfect we were and did not realize that the old way would not work with us.
Another big issue, is the difference between the Old testament and New testament.
Old testament...hail and brimstone, slaughter every man, woman, and child.
New testament...love thy neighbor, turn the other cheek.
Another tactical move on God's part?
He changed his mind? Modified his stance to better handle things? Old ways weren't working out? Relized that he had made another mistake?
For many, many years I kept modifying my views so I could learn about scientific achievements that were occuring. The universe, the history of the Earth, evolution. I reconciled, pushed out literal views, made concessions. Trying to get enough of the scripture out of my way so I could study all the fascinating insights humanity was making in all the different fields.
You have to mangle the Bible to do that. Eventually I realized that if the word of god was so screwed up that I had to do that, then obviously it could not be the word of god.
Now all the creationists here will come up with a thousand different ways to shout that this is not true.
Heck, a couple years ago, I would have done it too.
But let me clue you in on something.
If you believe in Microevolution but not Macroevolution to reconcile the Bible to reality, you are making a concession, and a first step toward dismissing the Bible altogether.
If you believe that the Earth is not literally 6000 years old, you are making a concession, and a first step toward dismissing the Bible altogether.
If you believe that the Earth goes around the Sun and not the other way around, you are making a concession, and a first step toward dismissing the Bible altogether.
And I'm not even going into the whole flood thing.
Whether you admit that to yourself or not, you are.
