I vote to lynch Neph. His whole not wanting innocent blood on his hands only makes sense if he knew who was innocent. I don't buy his explanation.
Mafia 104 - Dawg the Bounty Hunter - The Play
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I have been going back and forth through this game thread looking for anything that sticks out. Not much does.
Neph isn't giving me very warm fuzzies right now.
It also seems odd that Labby seems to be having the same thoughts that I do. It always worries me when Labby and I seem to be on the same page.:uhoh:
Neph isn't giving me very warm fuzzies right now.
It also seems odd that Labby seems to be having the same thoughts that I do. It always worries me when Labby and I seem to be on the same page.:uhoh:
You're taking what I said out of context. I said there's no point in listing who you would turn...totally different from just listing suspects.
Yes, Pir. I pulled the quotes all together then went back up to write and split them into separate posts. My other thought was you might be playing Devil's advocate too but that didn't make it into my post.... Oh well, I was tired but I still got the question out to you.
Thanks for answering. You were meaning that about Pir (and Lab) specifically. At first read it seemed you might have been making a more blanket statement about defensiveness in general, which I thought was puzzling. All in all, I did misread what you meant so thanks for clarifying.
There were several comments about this, pro and con. I pulled these to be more specific why I was concerned about the discussion.
I agree with most of that, Chill, the way you've stated it. You're right, most potential scum players in this game would certainly not need or even want advice how to form their strategy. However, we don't actually know who the scum are so.... we don't know what level of expertise is in the scumden. (Personally, I doubted Pir on that basis alone and held back my vote until Pappy pointed out the intial assignments were random and we should operate accordingly. I think the same logic applies to open speculation as well.)
The way I see this, offering our individual opinions about which player is more turn-worthy than another is akin to suggesting which player might make a better hit target for them.... or which player is more likely a townie PR than another. Why risk letting them benefit from open brainstorming like that? I seriously doubt they would ignore it and it could influence who they choose as a result.
Not only is it possible that one of us makes an observation about someone specific they hadn't thought of on their own.... it also allows them to sit back and evaluate each of our opinions based on their view of the poster's level of play.
As you pointed out though, the drawback of NOT making those lists is it also prevents us from using them for comparison later in the game. And that is true too. So I can't really say it's scummy or suspicious if someone weighs that possible benefit higher than someone else. I just feel it's better for the town if we stick to suspect lists like usual instead of giving them potential hit/turn candidates.
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This post from Lab was long. I've cut it down to the two points directed to this point.
(I also may have already answered you with my reply to Zaffy but your post is specific so I didn't want to skip over it.)
Probably not. But that, of course, depends on which players are scum. Even most of our more skilled players would surely benefit from the collective wisdom this group has to offer if everyone in the game shared all our insights/experience/perspectives.
This was directed to Pappy but it's about the same thing:
No Labby. We should have lists.... but they should be suspect lists.
I don't think we should give them "hit lists" discussing which candidates make better targets.... and why. Based on sheer numbers alone, the town holds an overall advantage in collective experience and strategy right now than any possible scum team combination could have with only 3 players on their side.
I agree with most of that, Chill, the way you've stated it. You're right, most potential scum players in this game would certainly not need or even want advice how to form their strategy. However, we don't actually know who the scum are so.... we don't know what level of expertise is in the scumden. (Personally, I doubted Pir on that basis alone and held back my vote until Pappy pointed out the intial assignments were random and we should operate accordingly. I think the same logic applies to open speculation as well.)
The way I see this, offering our individual opinions about which player is more turn-worthy than another is akin to suggesting which player might make a better hit target for them.... or which player is more likely a townie PR than another. Why risk letting them benefit from open brainstorming like that? I seriously doubt they would ignore it and it could influence who they choose as a result.
Not only is it possible that one of us makes an observation about someone specific they hadn't thought of on their own.... it also allows them to sit back and evaluate each of our opinions based on their view of the poster's level of play.
As you pointed out though, the drawback of NOT making those lists is it also prevents us from using them for comparison later in the game. And that is true too. So I can't really say it's scummy or suspicious if someone weighs that possible benefit higher than someone else. I just feel it's better for the town if we stick to suspect lists like usual instead of giving them potential hit/turn candidates.
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This post from Lab was long. I've cut it down to the two points directed to this point.
(I also may have already answered you with my reply to Zaffy but your post is specific so I didn't want to skip over it.)
Probably not. But that, of course, depends on which players are scum. Even most of our more skilled players would surely benefit from the collective wisdom this group has to offer if everyone in the game shared all our insights/experience/perspectives.
This was directed to Pappy but it's about the same thing:
No Labby. We should have lists.... but they should be suspect lists.
I don't think we should give them "hit lists" discussing which candidates make better targets.... and why. Based on sheer numbers alone, the town holds an overall advantage in collective experience and strategy right now than any possible scum team combination could have with only 3 players on their side.
This was about me asking Dun to tell us who he would have voted for yesterday.
Zaffy, you were more specific than most others. I'll answer the questions in order...
1. I have no clue. It may not matter at all how Dun responds... or it might become significant later on. No one could tell that yet. I just wanted him to take a position "for the record" one way or another, even if it's a day late.
2. Yes. Again, it might make little difference right now, but yes. We look back at each person's voting history once we accumulate more information. And that sometimes reveals clues about connections between players we didn't know were important back on Day 1 or Day 2.
3. Most certainly, it will. But that is another factor about his response for us to take into consideration.
4. No, of course not. If scum, he would surely lie to us. Even as an innocent, his delayed statement would likely differ from what his actual vote would have been Night 1. Even so, it still forces him to commit to an intended "vote" somewhere on Day 2 which may prove useful to us several days after the fact.
5. I don't expect to learn anything right now. I just want him to go on record... like everyone else has done.
Zaffy, I think everyone knows the benefit of vote analysis. Heck, we essentially trade innocent lives throughout the course of a game for the purpose of narrowing down our collective/contradictory suspect lists into actual details which reveals who the scum are... over time. Without asking Dun to pin this down for us now... we're letting him off the hook, as it were. And, for all we know, Dun could have dodged nightfall on purpose for that very reason.
(Not saying you did that btw, Dun.... but someone could do such a thing in a game where a person who UD's doesn't die.)
Zaffy, you were more specific than most others. I'll answer the questions in order...
1. I have no clue. It may not matter at all how Dun responds... or it might become significant later on. No one could tell that yet. I just wanted him to take a position "for the record" one way or another, even if it's a day late.
2. Yes. Again, it might make little difference right now, but yes. We look back at each person's voting history once we accumulate more information. And that sometimes reveals clues about connections between players we didn't know were important back on Day 1 or Day 2.
3. Most certainly, it will. But that is another factor about his response for us to take into consideration.
4. No, of course not. If scum, he would surely lie to us. Even as an innocent, his delayed statement would likely differ from what his actual vote would have been Night 1. Even so, it still forces him to commit to an intended "vote" somewhere on Day 2 which may prove useful to us several days after the fact.
5. I don't expect to learn anything right now. I just want him to go on record... like everyone else has done.
Zaffy, I think everyone knows the benefit of vote analysis. Heck, we essentially trade innocent lives throughout the course of a game for the purpose of narrowing down our collective/contradictory suspect lists into actual details which reveals who the scum are... over time. Without asking Dun to pin this down for us now... we're letting him off the hook, as it were. And, for all we know, Dun could have dodged nightfall on purpose for that very reason.
(Not saying you did that btw, Dun.... but someone could do such a thing in a game where a person who UD's doesn't die.)
Thanks for the response, Dun... but I would like an actual name and what your reasoning was even if it was random or just a guess. It was Day 1, for criminy... nobody had anything solid to go on. But everyone else placed a vote except you... whether they were serious votes, joke votes, random guesses, or whatever else.
I do entirely, but this is mafia and therefor you cannot let even the tiniest things just 'slip by'. If people let that happen the scum team wins.
