Mafia #14 -- The Play

[judgemax]

judgemax,

There is a chance that DJmajor is the Detective, the only person(s) that would KNOW that he wasn't would be the Detective, the Doctor, and if they were mafia the same teamates.if hes the detective, then hes on the mafia s side, I know I am innocent, and if hes telling you otherwise, hes not the detective. I understand your thinking, but why would anyone with that role act like he has, hes asking to be lynched by the town, with the way he has posted?...

You made the statement, now if I push it, then I am forcing you out. You made the statement, do you really want to stand by your statement and say that you are positive that DJmajor could not be the Detective or could you just have a feeling that DJmajor is not the Detectice, but he could be.I am NOT the detective, and your not forcing me out. iI stand by my statement. I again, understand your thinking, but if he had voted for you, and you (are) innocent, and you KNOW you are, your not going to let him get away wit hit, I should have went about it another way, but There is no way in my mind he is the detective, if he is claiming me guilty.

By the way, DJmajor has not claimed to be the Detective, but Ogre made a comment, I took it as a joke, but your statement has me concerned.I got that it was a joke as well, but I couldn't help but say anything, maybe I came off the hip to fast with my response, and should have put it another way, but he frustrates me, because no matter what role hes playing, hes playing all of us, with his typing skills, and his wasted posts.

DJmajor did ask for a day to prove himself.

don't we all?...most when we are guilty?..

 

[johnlarson66]

I was curious, and pulled up all of Ogre's posts. In the first 11 posts he made, I feel that he helped make the case for Charlie. Then, he apologizes (he does admit that it sounds lame) and proceeds onward. I am having this creepy feeling that Ogre, being a very experienced player, as well as being very good at reading people and playing on that, may be mafia. He has a history of duping the townies by appearing helpful with carefully calculated lists and such. I think he bears a close investigation by the townies.
~brandy

I felt I was on "the same page" as Ogre until his list of who is helpful and who is not list. I still do not get that list and have changed how I think about Ogre. I also know that if some heat gets on Ogre he will freak out, he stinks at being mafia. Mr. mee-mee! I think if he does slip, someone will catch it.

 

[judgemax]

I wasn't alluding you to be the detective... you said (I quote)

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In response to me asking if DJMajor was the detective. You ASSURED me that he is not. I repeat, there are only two ways you can ASSURE me, that he is not the detective. The first is if you are the detective and the second is that you and him are on the same mafia team.



Don't Dons show as innocent to the detective? Wouldn't a Don WANT the detective to investigate them?

The majority opinion is that DJMajor is mafia. If that is true (and we lynch him to find out) then my next vote is for you J.

so be it ogre, I am not going to argue with you to change your mind, I do however, know what I am , and if he is implying I am anything but, hes not the detective.

 

[johnlarson66]

I would like to hear from djmajor. DJ, what do you have to say about the things you have posted, can you shed some light on why you have posted as you have? Can you explain why you have posted what appears to be jibberish? I think you are mafia and are allowing your mafia buddies to hang you out to dry so as to take the focus off of them.

I agree with some of this.

I think DJ needs to speak up for themselves.

I do not think that " are allowing your mafia buddies to hang you out to dry so as to take the focus off of them."

In the past, the mafia has never let one of their own hang out to dry. There are too many better targets. At this point, most everyone appears to be mafia and if they do not then that makes them more look like mafia.

 

[judgemax]

well all its late, and sure to be a long night, i am heading to bed! I will be voting now, as I am not sure if I can make it on any earlier than I did tonight, and I don't want to die of a UD . so FOR NOW, AND AS ALWAYS SUBJECT TO CHANGE, i am sticking with my vote for blue, i think I am on to something, I VOTE TO LYNCH BLUE.

 

[clown-lover]

Well I read through the posts.. And man I wish I had known that LadyG was gonna come out of her corner today and start a cat fight.. I could have sold tickets. Anyway Here are some comments/thoughts.

Problem with this post, is that we've got quite a bit of time until nightfall. So why the urgency to post the list with absolutely no information? By doing so, it kind of lends itself to others speaking up/making points about folks on the list, and Ice just being able to say 'Exactly! That's what I was thinking....' Ice never has to pull a case together; others can do it for him.

I just have a problem with people posting lists with no reasons or I have a feeling. While that method doesn't reek to me of a mafia move it gives the mafia ammunition to wrap a story around someone else's list. Then it seems like others start to fall in line. I don't like that.


To clear the air about Charlie.. I voted for him.. I wasn't planning on it because there were others at the time who really weren't doing anything constructive that concerned me more.. While the judge and blue were going at it and on my own list there were others that I hadn't posted about simply because I wanted to see what would happen if nothing was posted. Primarily this concern was around people like LadyG and Swade. While I admit the first day I was chatty and had some casual conversations, I haven't played in a long time (5 or 6) and needed to get my feet wet again. However that morning LadyG had started doing some kicking (a little) so I figured maybe it was just the whole first day thing and I would let it slide simply due to the following.... Had I known that the rest of the day would be the same as day one I would have stuck to my original plan.

The straw that broke my back with Charlie was the UD. It wasn't a townie move PERIOD. If you read my last post the night before I plainly state that I was going to bed so I could think about the next morning and was going to post my vote. What did I do immediately the next morning just that in fact it was 5 posts after he removed his vote. That sent ALL KINDS of bells off and is why I spoke about that UD twice in my reasoning.

Now onto bigger and better things.
I saw this post tonight and DD had a good point. If you are going to do something like that you had better follow up with the post. Ice did it this morning with his list but this evening he posted his rational. LadyG it took a teeth pulling job to get her to even post anything and not until she had almost started world war 3 between her and DD. Over a simply question of where is your post.. I don't get all of this from this morning and quite honestly it has me concerned.

DD, it was 3AM...no I wasn't going to sit here and go through all the post's at that time!:drool: I said I couldn't sleep because I felt like I needed to apologize for what I had said, I did that...And NO that post was not a vent the one before it was, funny how you are the only one to post about it and take it that way.

Speaking of things...where have you been DD? What happened to the oh so helpful DD of last game?

LadyG we ALL hate the fact that we lost two innocents last night. But who among us didn't think that Charlie might be mafia.. You even questioned it. I had him leaning less mafia than you at the time honestly but that UD really was not a well thought out plan. If you are an innocent in this game WHY IN THE WORLD ARE YOU GOING TO UD?? Unless you have some outside commitments or things happening in your life that make it necessary. I didn't.. Didn't talk about it in the game.. Didn't threaten it in the game. I did it because I had to. His move was bad. Period. Personally I feel that if someone even mentions that they are going to UD the game moderator should kill them right at that point.

To what you said about your voting.. Honestly you were all over the flippin place. You changed your vote three times. You started with the Judge(369) you then moved to Jensons(422) then back to the Judge (459) and then to DJ(579). Personally I think this was a pure strategic move on your part because you KNEW we were convinced about Charlie. Many people had stated their opinions and that they were absolutely sure they had the right person at that point so you did this move so you could be the invisible mafia.

I just HATE the fact we lost 2 innocents on the first night...I thought for sure at least the mafia would hit another Mafia. I really wasn't sure about Charlie..he has said and done some crazy things when innocent, I had him leaning more toward mafia because of his UD statement...but past games when he was innocent and I was sooo sure he was evil kept running through my head. So I wasn't sure if the town stayed with him we would of got one..that is why I changed my vote to Dj I was almost positive he was, and was hoping the others would join in.

The fight continues between this mornings parties.. And yeah DD I think you found mafia today.. I was wishy washy about her yesterday and with Charlie's moves I thought I had a confirmed one.. I'm sure I have a confirmed one today..

then why are you lashing out at me? Are you worried about me because I am finding out you are mafia?

Then you start throwing things out there trying to cause confusion without doing the investigation yourself. You were posting quite a bit today but all you do is ask a question about do you think? You can't do your own research? Some of those people might very well be mafia and have notes on my list but again you not doing anything constructive. You getting out of hand with your attacks but just putting enough in there to make it look like your being constructive when your not.

Does anyone think we should be looking into any of these? We would be looking into..DP, CL, DC, Jpap, Ice, DD and DJ?

Please your just regurgitating what I said yesterday about her locking on the Judge and not concentrating on the game at large. You weren't the first to notice this so don't try and make it like you were.

Well, I'm glad to see someone else has noticed this and has questioned Blue...I didn't want to be the first since she voted me, others may not really take me serious just thinking that I was out for revenge. There are a couple things that make me uneasy about Blue. I don't have much time right now but I'll quick try and find what bothered me to post it before I have to go. One is the fact she seems to have "tunnel Vision".

I think Blue had it right from day one.. Unfortunately as of this point she has changed her vote.. But you haven't left my list of suspected mafia.. In fact you've moved up to a 9..

Do you think I have tunnel vision because I have not taken my vote off of you? If anything, you have given me more of a reason to keep you high on my list of suspected mafia. Something very interesting I have taken more of a notice to concerning you is that you are very clever at trying to shift focus. Take posts 729-740 for example. You went from being defensive in post 738 to showing care and concern for the town in 739. You have yet to answer DD's questioning of you in post 740. Was this an oversight? Did I miss your answer? Or are you breathing a sigh of relief that you possibly shifted the focus off of you?

Here you try a deflection tactic.. DD and Blue have asked questions today that I think you still have yet to answer.. I may have missed it as I had to read pretty fast but I still don't think you have answered those questions.

Umm, let's see you voted me stayed with me and really haven't brought much to the game...well except "protected" DC alittle there...yeah I'd say tunnel vision.
As far as the question from DD, I see no point in going back and forth for ever w/ someone. DD and I always go back and forth just like Ice, and Jmax do with me...no biggie don't think DD really thought much about it or she would of said something.

No, no shifting here...my concern has been and will remain for the town.

No I think your concern is for your mafia buddies.

Blue asks you to answer those questions..

Why are you avoiding answering the questions that were asked of you by myself and DD?

of course, that's because obviously Charlie is innocent. But we didn't know that last night, G..... did you?

And how exactly would I of KNOWN that DD?

Simple because you are Mafia..

I just didn't understand it before I left last night and I still do not understand why everyone stayed on Charlie. I honestly thought when I came back home from work I would find the town had switched and voted Dj instead, I was surprised thats all.

Bull Pucky.. We posted exactly why we thought Charlie was mafia.. There was no confusion as to why we voted the way we did. To say this now means either one of two things.. 1) You weren't reading at all 2) invisible mafia. Personally I think you thought judge was going to get the votes yesterday so you piled on her right away thinking that everyone would follow.. When they didn't is when you started that who charade.

Interesting back and forth between Lg, Blueiz, and DD. Lg has been quite aggressive and defensive, and VERY much all over the place, but seems typical of her. Also might be a sign of scuminess because her arguments are sometimes weak but can't decide exactly what to think. DD I am having a hard time reading (like most people) but I always get a bad feeling about her, don't know why...

At this point it isn't a feeling. She is confirming herself more and more..

I vote to lynch LadyG

 

[FireDancer7905]

so be it ogre, I am not going to argue with you to change your mind, I do however, know what I am , and if he is implying I am anything but, hes not the detective.

Or maybe, if he is, you were not his chosen investigation, and he has an inkling that maybe you should be his enxt.

 

[judgemax]

Or maybe, if he is, you were not his chosen investigation, and he has an inkling that maybe you should be his enxt.

ok, well, I could agree with that sentiment, except, he voted for me, I could care less about the vote, its just the way he did it. and If he is the detective, the town is screwed already, because hes happier being an idiot, than being helpful, ..

Good post CL, I almost changed my vote after reading it, but I will wait and see what the backlash is from it first .


Night all!

 

[FireDancer7905]

Gnite Jm!

 

[OgreMkV]

Best Mafia Game Post Ever!