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This just seems too easy. I retract my vote for MC and vote to geneticaly test
Lady G. MC is too obvious and most likely another innocent. LG had been "stickin out" quite a bit this time around. I am glad to see her posting more this game but her posts seem phony....
hhhmmmm - this puts me on the same page as MC. not sure this is where I want to be....more thinkin is required.
I think I need to call it a night and re-evaluate tomorrow...
Right, it wasn't the fact others voted him...it was "to easy" after he admits he had a few beers. Hmmm, now after reading this again...maybe I am leaning MC more guilty like maybe ya'll knew he would be a prime suspect and you were going to be on him to "look" innocent, then chickend out and voted with him. I just don't know, what I do know is your posts and reasonings seem scummy:yuck:
 
Right, it wasn't the fact others voted him...it was "to easy" after he admits he had a few beers. Hmmm, now after reading this again...maybe I am leaning MC more guilty like maybe ya'll knew he would be a prime suspect and you were going to be on him to "look" innocent, then chickend out and voted with him. I just don't know, what I do know is your posts and reasonings seem scummy:yuck:


*heavy sigh* Blah, blah, blah. I am not commenting on this subject anymore...feels like beating a dead horse.....vote away.
 
Noodles makes a good point. I initially dismissed the whole Ogre thing as a simple mistake- my main reason for suspecting MC had nothing to do with it- but rather with his day one choice to make LB the main suspect and alone on three votes- and his later vote to try and distance himself from JL who is looking more and more guilty.

If MC were guilty he would have known Ogre was killed and so to post a vote for Ogre would have been a really dumb way of making himself look innocent and put himself on the hot-seat as it did.

I think MC deserves to continue being a suspect- he's had suspicious actions- but he perhaps doesn't deserve to be top suspect.



Another front runner- ZSand looks an equally bad choice to me. It seems the campaign against him seems mainly based upon him being quiet. From what I've seen, he's always quiet. Certainly doesn't get ZSand off the hook- but perhaps killing him would be a mistake.

If I were an investigator I would think ZSand would make a much better target to investigate rather than to out-right kill. At this early stage it doesn't make much sense to kill ZSand, unless he has already been investigated and found guilty.
I've played a lot of games with Z and he's usually a lot more talkative. I think he's become one of those players who the scum like to hit early, which may be why you think he's quiet. Just my thoughts.

I'm not really convinced Zs is guilty, but the fact that he's in the same league right now with Rocker and Annie is quite odd and it worries me that he has yet to say anything today, granted he doesnt show as being online since last night. I hope he starts posting now that he sees his name being brought up. Also would like to point out that his vote for MC included two of his posts, I suppose as a reaosning for his vote, but no analysis. It looked like he was maybe pressed for time but its weird for him to say so little regarding a vote. I'm curious if he will end up switching when he returns.

I'd throw Kash in as another player who hasn't said really anything substantial but has just disappeared from the site. Likely RL issues in both cases, but its somethine worth noting.

Rocker and Annie both have the tendency to throw in a few comments and vote. Rocker actually likes to just pop and and vote without much for comments. Both have been doing this pretty steadily in the last couple games when innocent, but I have to wonder when this streak will end. I know Rocker caught some flack for this I think his first game and was lynched, so I'd hate to do the same, but it can't go like this forever.

Can't say much about Dawg or Rich at this point.

I'm very, very suspicious of MC but the point was brought up that it would be downright stupid (maybe those are my own words) for him to slip up like that. I wouldn't consider him a dangerous player per se but he's definitely smarter than that. I still am not sure about the switch to JL "just to prove a point". It seemed rather desperate and frankly I thought it was pointless.

To be honest, I'm pretty much ignoring Lady G and noodles bantering right now. It seems like they've fused into one person (I was thinking about DBZ here-fusion HA!) who likes to ramble about little bits of rather unimportant information. I start reading one of their posts, forget which one is talking, and get bored...just a side comment I thought I would throw in while thinking through things...

I'm more interested in the wycco-JL convo. I can't really see one side being "more correct" as both bring up interesting point. As Rich said, its normal for him to pick at random things and ruffle some feathers. He struck a nerve with Luv and that caught peoples attention and got her lynched. So we're stuck with either blaiming him for basically starting it or those who ended up following. We know one of those was innocent and the other voted randomly with no intention of switching. Does that make the other one (MC) guilty? Not sure. I tend to figure theres got to be a scum player on the leading vote getter, just to make sure an innocent gets the boot, but the way the votes were spread out I'm thinking most, if not all of the evil scientists were people who stuck with their original "random" votes. It was just too planned out for anything to be calculated.

I've played evil with JL many times in the past and I don't see anything overtly suspicious. Not that I expect to from him, he's good at hiding a role. I'm bringing JL back towards the neutral area on my list, but with a special condition that he needs extra watching.

Wycco hasn't really made me think he was suspicious (I think someone made a comment about him playing different and I don't think I got an answer so I'll check on that) so I wonder if this is one of those situations that happens all to often when two innocents are at each others throats over little things that end up distracting the town. On the other hand, theres not much more to go on. I plan on following the conversation more before really putting each on a separate side if it comes down to that.

Wow, I really feel like Kashta now. So there's a long post for all of you since she's mysteriously absent. Probably more to follow ;)
 
thru post 243....

to genetically test....

most (4) DD 173 rich 180 zsnd 197 ann 198
dawg (1) rock 164
jl66 (3) kash 175 most 178 wyc 206
zsnd (3) jpap 196 nood 204 jl 214
nood (1) lady 210


all votes in....

Nightfall at 9 PM EST tonight....

PMs as required please....
 
On the wycco thing, I must have missed it:

Noods first said it and then voted in that same post. When I asked, she explained that he was less vocal than when he was an innocent PR last game.

Thinking about that, I found it really odd to mention Wycco as a person being noticeably quiet. Since I missed her post I will answer now that I was not at all worried just wondering how she came to the conclusion that Wycco was being "completely out of character". I didn't see anything different, so I asked.

Another thing I found interesting was that her vote was a late switch AND she thought it ended up being a 4-way tie at nightfall. Presumably, her vote on Wy would have tied him with Luv, JL, and Zs. Strange, because Rb posted a vote count right before she switched with Luv clearly having 3 votes at the time. I vivdly remember Noods doing the same thing in 53.5 (mixing up vote counts) and was guilty.

Did she do it again? Not sure, but I'd love to see her response. I'm also curious as to what she thinks of Wycco now. There's been no indication that she's moved either way. Also, within two days Noods has voted for 5 different people.
 
I really expected more particaption. While I know it is only day 2, I think there has been plenty to comment on.

I think the votes on MC are without much thought. I think the linking him to me is also without much thought. I really don't see how MC could be evil and in communication with other evils, but forget that Ogre was the hit. The evil hit on Ogre was not just a random act. The evil team has some sort of reason. I am guessing it is a weak attempt to set me up, but most players with any sense can see right through this type of set up.

This leads me to believe that the evil team is mostly "newer players" or not communicating very well.

With the lack of particaption, many players are under the radar. Whatever happens at nightfall, I hope people look at who was leading the charge and who blindly followed.
 
On the wycco thing, I must have missed it:

Noods first said it and then voted in that same post. When I asked, she explained that he was less vocal than when he was an innocent PR last game.

Thinking about that, I found it really odd to mention Wycco as a person being noticeably quiet. Since I missed her post I will answer now that I was not at all worried just wondering how she came to the conclusion that Wycco was being "completely out of character". I didn't see anything different, so I asked.

Another thing I found interesting was that her vote was a late switch AND she thought it ended up being a 4-way tie at nightfall. Presumably, her vote on Wy would have tied him with Luv, JL, and Zs. Strange, because Rb posted a vote count right before she switched with Luv clearly having 3 votes at the time. I vivdly remember Noods doing the same thing in 53.5 (mixing up vote counts) and was guilty.

Did she do it again? Not sure, but I'd love to see her response. I'm also curious as to what she thinks of Wycco now. There's been no indication that she's moved either way. Also, within two days Noods has voted for 5 different people.


I dont find my late vote switch odd when I already knew I did not want to keep my vote on Rich (useless/random) and yes, I thought my vote move to Wycco gave us 3 players with 2 votes. Ogre's moving back and forth confused me at the end and I mis-stated that ther were 4 players with 2 votes. If getting confused is lynching reason, then go for it. I think it would be pretty lame but that IMO......

As for Wycco, I still think sometihng is up with him and could easily move my vote to him; but then I would have 6 votes in two days. *gasp* Goodness gracious, I am not sure by day two who is scum or not! Are you so sure?
 
Alright a couple things. 1. No Wycco I am NOT normally quiet in fact I am normally quite the opposite. The last few games I just haven't had the time to play like I used to and when I do manage to find time I get killed off. This weekend I had all kinds of time because the weather was crap here, but my frakkin internet is satellite and a few clouds puts it out of service... Now I am back int he work week and I'm swamped. In essense I probably shouldn't have signed up.

All that... out of the way I think MC has presented theirself as a very good candidate for lynching but also here is something to think about. Yes, they were skimming or they would have seen Ogre was killed. But he was tested by the Evil Scientists so if MC was an ES why would they have made that mistake and brought the attention on themselves. It doesn't make sense.

I retract my vote to genetically test MC.

My vote was thrown out quickly based on those two posts while I had internet for a brief period of time. I would much rather have a vote that matters. I don't know where that should right now so I vote to genetically test Annie.

Chugga chugga Annie joined the train last, right after me. At least I quoted the posts and didn't just dogpile. This is a useless vote most likely, so it is subject to change. I will try and make a change as soon as possible.
 
The strongest "feeling" I'm getting so far today is with Wycco and Noodles. So I'll have to count them as my main suspects at this point. I just keep changing my mind about both of them. Not sure yet which of the two I'm going to vote for.... more on this later. (I've pulled a quote already from Wycco that talk more about in my next post.)

My early vote went to JL but I'm not seeing (or feeling) anything real suspicious about him. What bothered me a little about JL yesterday was the way he said he'd switch his vote to Bugz but then didn't do it. That's a handy little trick (for lack of a better word) that I've seen him use before where others will pick up on suspicion for someone and votes start going that way... while he isn't blamed for it later because he never actually voted the person himself. The problem with this is, John's done the same thing before when he's innocent. So for him, it's not a reliable scum-tell, even when it should be.

I don't like the train I'm seeing on MC. For my money, I'm thinking at least 1 of the 4 names voting him are probably evil... DD, Rich, Zsand, or Annie. Of those, I'm probably least suspicious of Zsand... so far. So as secondary suspects for me (behind Wycco/Noods), I'm leaning DD, Rich, and Annie as more evil than neutral.

I also see a lot of votes on JL right now... mine isn't and wasn't one meant to stay there (as stated when I posted it) and I'm not real suspicious about MC. But again... Wycco's vote there looks more strategically important if he's evil, which is a main factor I'm picking up on today.

I retract my vote on Johnlarson and vote to genetically test Wycco.

This vote may stay where it is or I might change it to Noodles. (I'm still working on that decision between them.)
 
Day 1:
Nood: Wy
Rich: Nood
Pappy: Kash Rock
Luv: Rich Ogre MC Ogre
Wy: Luv JL Nood
JL: Ogre Dawg Luv Ogre
LG: JL MC
DD: Pappy
Z: DD LG
Rock: LG
Kash: Ann
Ann: Z
MC: Pappy
Ogre: Kash
(I bolded the names of our known Innocents for emphasis.)
Based on these votes JL certainly looks bad having drawn votes from both known Innocents, and Kashta looks more likely to be innocent. Why would she vote so late in the Day on the person the ES were going to test?

Day 2:
MC: Nood Wy Pappy LG DD Rich Z Ann
Dawg: LG Rocker
LG: MC Noods
Wy: JL
JL: Ann Kash MC Wy
Z: Pappy Nood JL
Nood: LG
Ann: Z
Dawg lost his vote
 
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