Mafia #64 ? Cabin Fever - The Play

well now this sucks...

I have a bad idea, just worth a shot...

Why dont we have some kind of collective vote, everyone votes for the same person, no that wont work were too stupid to pick only one nvm.
 
^Excuse me? What are you saying?
 
I'm a bit baffled by Kash's posts close to night. She seems to be implying that she thinks Ice is evil but then she goes ahead and votes the same as Ice and doesn't vote for Ice. Was anyone else confused by that chain of events?

I guess I really need to go back and reread those posts and see if I can make any sense of them knowing what we know now.
 
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I'm a bit baffled by Kash's posts close to night. She seems to be implying that she thinks Ice is evil but then she goes ahead and votes the same as Ice and doesn't vote for Ice. Was anyone else confused by that chain of events?

I guess I really need to go back and reread those posts and see if I can make any sense of them knowing what we know now.

After rereading the only reason I can see why Kash voted the same as Ice was to save herself from being banished. Even though Annie was leading in votes at that point maybe she thought a scum was going to jump to her. Maybe someone else sees something different.


I think you're right Dawg.

When I was reading I think she was building a case against me. But her case is built on a misunderstanding. She thinks I'm trying to lead players away from her list.
I thought it said a bunch of nothing I admit, still do, its nothing but obvious stuff.
But when Dag was mentioning that Kash didn't put me on the list I pointed back to that exact post at least 3 times to show my name is in the post. If I was trying to lead players away why would I point at it?
 
Here is the post Kash is talking about


Since lab rat was innocent, that means my whole suspect list is crap. So I needed to reevaluate and figure out what i'm missing. This being Day 1 posts, that might not get me anywhere.. but I still have to give it a shot.

If Lab Rat had been evil, my top suspects would have been Zaffy, DD, Dag, and Annie because I felt someone among those names was working to prevent Lab from being banished. The fact that Lab was telling the truth and a townie means she was not communicating with either of these people. We know Zaffy was innocent too. So that leaves DD, Dag, and Annie for me to reconsider now. Their opposition to banishing Lab Rat was either genuine (if they honestly believed her innocent) or out of convenience (if they as accomplice wanted to appear somewhat cleared once her role was revealed).

Zaffy's seeming defense of Lab Rat made him seem scummy to me.. as was his lone vote on Ice. I don't believe Zaffy expected to get hit tonight either... the madman choosing him was a pretty smart move by the scum team. Zaffy was in a position to get himself lynched had Lab Rat flipped evil because he'd gone to bat for her so openly in the thread... and he wasn't posing a traceable threat to the madman based on his post content. So Zaffy was a rather strategic kill as a townie who was unlikely to get himself lynched anytime soon once Lab was revealed as innocent. He was also not very vocal by comparison and, therefore, wasn't likely to draw protection against their kill attempt. Someone on the evil team knows what they're doing, be that the madman themself or a well trusted accomplice. (Sure wish we knew if the accomplices were all volunteers or if they were selectively recruited on Day 1 by the madman.) ** Note -- Adding here that we now know the town's doctor just got recruited by the madman as an accomplice. Someone who was innocent and a townie PR on Day 1 is now working against the town. And it means a regular townie just got promoted to a PR.

The fact that the madman didn't kill someone like me, Ice, Dawg, or JL the first night also suggests that one of us is either a madman/accomplice... or... that we're so off-track with our suspects that keeping us alive another day benefits the scum side more than killing us would. Plus, it's usually just a matter of time before we'll turn on each other (if innocent), which only helps to further confuse the town. Each of our posts were rather definitive and we're well known for getting hit by the mafia, working hard to dig up clues that lead to the scum, and being rather difficult to lynch (or banish) for making bonehead mistakes.

DD - Is quite a savvy player who often gets killed easily the first day. As she disagreed with my/our suspicion against Lab Rat, I'm prepared to drop her as one of my top suspects.. for the present time. The position DD took opposing Lab Rat's banishment seems/feels sincere in retrospect and outweighs the case I believed I had against her over her reaction to my posts.

Dag - As a noob to our game, he's hard for us to read. Combine that with his relation to Lab Rat makes this even more difficult. Don't know what his actual game experience is but he seems to be pretty smart, based on the posts he's made. I'm not going to assume though that he's communicating offline with Lab Rat (as JL has suggested a number of times about me and Wizard).

Annie - Was a suspect of mine because he's virtually inactive in this game.. and his similar position to Dag and Zaffy where Lab Rat was concerned. Someone who might rather volunteer for an accomplice role so he'd have someone to communicate with.

Wizard - JL keeps suggesting that Wizard was following my lead this time and he's hinted that we're working together outside the game. Whatever role Wizard has this time, I have no idea. I know the man well in everyday life but Wizard is also very smart and he understands this game very well. I expect he'll be quite good at this on his own... but I've not played with him or against him in this game setting enough that I can read him yet.

Rich - Better than just about anyone at lying low and staying under the radar in this game. That makes him a very good choice either as the madman or someone the madman might have recruited.

FF - Seems to be all over the place and his nonsensical posting resurfaced as soon as nightfall was over. This doesn't reassure any of us about him being pro-town in any way. FF seems (again) to crave our attention more than anything else and I don't believe he actually cares which team wins. The scum side is communicating this time (FF was non-communicating evil in his last game). If he's evil, I don't see that his teammates would sit by watching him post the comments he made tonight, so it's really anyone's guess which team FF is on.

Tex - Has made something of a spoiler of himself, posting disparaging remarks. Definitely not a pro-town person and he probably isn't taking this game seriously. This seems to be a joke to him or something he's joined to pass the time. As an evil, he's playing a laughable game so I don't see him volunteering for the role or being chosen by the madman.

Razz - Totally non-productive in the game, whether he's innocent or evil. Not much use speculating about him, at this point.

I remember in one of my earlier games when DD was being lynched early on. Just before nightfall, she told us to not get caught up in all the little details and look at the overall picture instead. That was very good advice at the time in that game and it's something I try to remember for the rest of them. The best way I've found of doing that is to set aside what people say in their posts and look (more objectively) at voting patterns and such.

This being the first night and faced with 3 dead innocents... we still have very little to go on. But I've looked hard at where the votes fell to make an early estimation of role based on some generalities. Might as well, since my top suspect turned out to be innocent and the others I was leaning as most likely madman/accomplice were largely based on Lab being scum.

We don't know exactly how many evils there were yet before nightfall ended. I would expect whoever they were.. they would likely have scattered themselves among the top 3 candidates up for banishment, instead of all piling on just one.

From tonight's vote...

5 FF - JL Rich DD Dag Lab

Of the 5 votes on FF, we know Lab was innocent. I'm less inclined right now to suspect DD or Dag. That leaves either JL or Rich as likely evils from these players.

6 Lab - Kash Wiz Tex Dawg Ice FF

Of the 6 votes on Lab Rat, I'd probably pick Wizard, Dawg, or Ice over either Tex or FF right now. I can't tell if Wizard is fooling me/us in this game, so I'm no help trying to sort that out. If that's what he needed to do because of the role he was assigned, he'd be good at it. Dawg and Ice are also excellent scum candidates at any time. I'd guess at this point that either one or two of these 6 names are evils.... it's highly unlikely that all 6 of these people are townies. (And yes, to those of you who want to suspect me for being the first vote on Lab.. feel free.)

1 Ice - Zaffy

Zaffy held onto his lone vote against Ice. I'll have to go back through the thread to re-read the case he presented against Ice now that I know Zaffy was innocent and see who else was either suspecting Zaffy or disagreeing with his posts.

2 Tex - Annie Razz

Two votes stayed on Tex. Either of those could be evil or innocent. Since they didn't vote with the others, I'll lean both of them as suspicious.

So what does all this tell me? Not a whole lot... yet. But as an early stab at Day 1 vote analysis, this is what I came up with.

Town - Lab, Zaffy, Zsand.
Unknown - Dag, DD.
Scummy - Tex, FF.
Top suspects based on votes - Wiz/Dawg/Ice (voted Lab), JL/Rich (voted FF), Annie/Razz (voted Tex).

I just realized that left Ice out of your analysis of people... why would you leave him out when you did such a thorough job on everyone else? not to mention leaving yourself out but <shrug> that is expected.


Dag says I'm not on it




In the part you quoted she only has 8 names. Along with myself she also left out JL and Dawg.

But if you look before the part you quoted her case is that the 3 of us are possible madman/accomplice because we haven't been hit. Its a bogus reason I called someone on in an earlier game.

Here I tell him its in the part before he quoted

Actually Dag, the entire post is there EXCEPT for the part that mentions us as possible accomplices because we hadn't been hit.


Pretty convenient of you to leave that part of the post out.

Here I POINT out that he actually EDITED out the part where I am mentioned along with JL and Dawg

Sorry messed up and pulled posts but didn't use them. Here they are again.

Okay so you showed back up but didn't feel the need to answer this post.


Here I point back to the post asking him to answer why he did it.

Was able to stop by the house for an early lunch.
Ok but you seemed to miss the fact she didn't psycho analyze JL or Dawg either then. Whats your excuse for missing that fact?


Again I point back to the post.How am I trying to hide from it when I keep pointing it out?


Kash I've pointed out numerous times that you left me off as a psychoanalysis but pointed to me as a possible accomplice when Dag was asking why you didn't list me on that list. I also pointed out that JL and Dawg also weren't psychoanalysised and asked Dag why he pointed out just my name and not theirs?

This is after Kashs 1st post,I knew she was trying to build a case. I wanted to make sure she knew she was mistaken and reconsider. Again I point back to her post.

Because, Ice.. the 3 of you were already covered at the top of that message.. and again at the bottom. I didn't need to go over those suspicions again.

This is where I knew she didn't get far enough into the thread. I think she reads and posts at the same time. I don't know how you can miss so many points back to one post and think I'm trying to hide it.

I know I was in it and kept bring attention to the fact that i am mentioned.

Dag was saying I wasn't in it.

Again letting her know I didn't say I wasn't in it and that Dag pointed that out.
 
So in one night, we lost the detective, bartender and bellhop.

I thought for sure that FF was the bartender, when he was asking about the bartender role.

Now that we know all three of these people were power roles, I think it explains why they were suspects.

I think Kash's late vote on annie was just to make sure she was not banished. I also think if Kash knew for sure who was evil, she would have pushed hard early.

I really do not like the late votes coming in just before nightfall.
 
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