Mafia 65: Masons and Mafia (Game Thread)

[IceH2O]

DD out of 11 posts you now have 5 of them aren't just BS

2 of them are simple questions

1 is asking FF why he didn't answer your question

The last 2 are just non committal to anyone.


You picked the 3 players that had votes and say you're not sure which to vote for even though FF really is the only 1 you questioned.

So half the posts are pure fluff and the rest are what I'd call distancing posts if I knew you were mafia.

OMG, JL, you didn't!



where did he say that?

why would you "assume" anything in Mafia?

Actually, I asked the same question and am interested as well in the answer.... I find it even more interesting that FF responded to my post that was posted minutes before this one.... why are you avoiding this one, FF?

hmmm.... I have to say, I was a little caught off with FF's post in regards to JL too but seeing FF continue on, he continues to get crazier and crazier... bouncing all over the joint.... then I see JL post that if FF were on a team with him, he would have no problem lynching him if it was for the better of the team, and I have seen this in JL.... but then goes on to say that he wouldn't be trying to reel FF in (because of his all over the place posting style) if anythng, he would suggest he do the same old thing he's always done.... whicgh is exactly what he is doing anyway (even though this game, it seems like he's downed a couple bags of sugar).... and then Dawg gets caught up in it.... so in this whole situation, I don't know what to think yet...

As far as the spread out votes vs. 2 or 3 people to vote on... I am not sure what is the best way to go that will screw the mafia up and make it better for us, but I think keeping it to 2 or 3 people might just makle it better... and harder for the mafia to take out people... because the choices of who to send in a kill would be pretty wide, lessening their chances I think of choosing a Mason over a townie... but I also think that if the votes are spread, it could make it hard for them also because they will never really know where exactly to place their kills... with the votes so spread out, who really knows where the votes are going to end up... and stretching the day at 72 hours, I think it could make it harder for the mafia. I highly doubt all 5 mafia are going to jump on an innocent as the day goes on... talk about throwing in the towel for the game, why don't you just list everyone on it all together... that move would be a complete disaster for them.

the problem I am having is with FF. I see the whiole JL/FF/Dawg thing and I guess I am just as frazzled as everyone else with it but the one that really tugs at me is FF. Yes, this is his style, for the past games I have played with him, he has made my head spin with his posting frenzies.... but the thing is, how can we really be sure that he is just being consistent with his style because that's just how he is... I mean, don't you think that if he was quiet this game, he would be even a bigger suspect? With that said, I think Dawg might have gone head first in trying to get folks to think about FF... but I am stuck with this because of my back and forth thoughts on FF. Was that the intention? I don't know...


how interesting, wiz.... I am wondering the same thing about you... where are your "original thoughts"? What are you offering that might "benefit the town"? What is your "opinion that has transpired up to this point"?

 

[jpappy789]

Yet you say Dag's vote is cleared despite his whole case is that FF is playing like normal BUT he could be using that to "hide in the open." I understand thinking FF is scummy for all the things he's said in this game, but to say that he might be trying to post a lot to catch us off guard is completely irrelevant seeing as it's a complete hypothetical.

Sorry, you didn't clear Dag...poor word choice...but you don't seem at all worried.

 

[dirtydawg10]

Dawg, could you clarify your case on FF? It seems like you main beef with him is the fact that you believe he (FF) and JL are communicating. Is that correct? Was there anything other than that one post of FF's that I've already tried to clarify that lead you to believe that?

I'd say this sums it up pretty well for you JPap.

Well FF is at it again.



How do you know this is a train JL has started? Do you plan to jump on?



Can you quote the post where JL says the mafia won't try to start a train on someone they know is innocent?? I don't see it posted before your post that claims he said that.



Why are you clarifying that WE don't know if JPap is innocent? Where did you claim JPap was innocent before? And now you clarify what JL said but how could you ever interpret what JL said in his posts as "the mafia won't try to start a train on someone they know is innocent"



Did someone tell you, you screwed up or did you figure that out on your own?

For now unless something better comes along

I vote to lynch FF

That's not what you said check the quotes. 1 vote does not make a train IMO. I don't see anyone jumping on just yet so I'm wondering where the train thing came from. I was also wondering if you were planning to jump on. Apparently not since JPap is innocent...right??



Actually you did say all of those things just check the quotes I made of your posts.



You assumed he was innocent on day 1 with only a couple of posts???? Please explain why JPap is innocent in your eyes with only the few posts he made prior to your comments...Thanks.



OK

FF, this comment is still bugging me...I still need you to pull the post of where JL said this. I'm guessing it is in a PM or chat room somewhere. Am I right?

It was his post which I believe linked him to JL which started me looking at him but is clearly not my only reason for voting FF.

 

[IceH2O]

Yet you say Dag's vote is cleared despite his whole case is that FF is playing like normal BUT he could be using that to "hide in the open." I understand thinking FF is scummy for all the things he's said in this game, but to say that he might be trying to post a lot to catch us off guard is completely irrelevant seeing as it's a complete hypothetical.

I interpreted Dags post to be saying he thinks FF is guilty from what FF had posted but to change his style would make him a target so he is playing out in the open because he has to.

 

[Lab_Rat]

I know this has nothing to do with a new game we are playing now but I just want to know. How was I laying low last game? I was the 4th highest poster in that game? I don't tend to lay low in any games.:huh:

I got a lot of innocents lynched last game...as a matter of fact all the lynches were innocents if I remember correctly. :Angel:

But that was last game and this is a new game so you are comparing apples and oranges. Most people never play the same game twice.

Your logic makes absolutely no sense here. If FF was such an easy target for why would I have to go after him? I'd sit back and let him get picked off by someone else. Which is possibly what the mafia is doing right now.

You did get a lot of innocents lynched last game...was very impressive. :bowing: And I realize most don't play the same game twice. I did think you laid lower last game than you have this game. My impression this game was you took FF's crazy randomness and ran with it. All you had to do was get 3 innocents to vote on him, then the rest of your scum team can jump on quickly to get him lynched. Dag already has done so, likely because he's busy IRL and didn't want to miss the opportunity. Unfortunately for you, some of us are not so eager to jump onto the lynch FF bandwagon. Has this complicated your evil plans? Now you're being forced to not lay low, which I would expect would have been the plan (since I suspect many mafia will be laying low).

This is where I disagree. Why would Dawg if Mafia need to go after FF. FF isn't a help to the town the way he posts,if anything he is an asset to the mafia. Given a few days would probably get himself lynched anyway.

I can't believe you put Tex at the bottom of your list. The fact that him and FF both posted the same suspects then both voted the same person with one of their suspects raises all kinds of red flags.

I explained above...it wasn't a need to go after FF, just an easy opportunity to try and get an innocent lynched. I also explained previously why I think the mafia team would have had a strong player try to set up an innocent for lynching. The rest of the scum team can lay back hiding.

Like I said before, I think Tex is just trying to play along and learn the game. His following FF could be simply explained by noob confusion. I've been too tough on noobs in the past so for now I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. He really does need to put more thought and effort into the town if he's innocent.

ok, what is the big repeat of "DD's posts are full of fluff", I think I've noticed it 3 times, not quite sure if there's been more? I have been giving my opinions on the events that are happening as I feel they are.... what makes my thoughts full of fluff and everyone else's so grand??

No offense DD, but primarily what I've seen from you is a bunch of :nilly: in regards to the whole FF/JL/Dawg thing. Care to post some more solid theories and thoughts as to who is scum?

 

[Dangerdoll]

good investigation, Ice... but how about anyone else in the game. You mean to tell me, above all else, MY posts are the oneas that are "full of fluff"?

and then in other posts, you actually seemingly give others a pass for voting off the cuff or whatever, namely Dag. Actually, I find that pretty concerning in of itself.... not even consuidering that you "accidentally" left him off your list and then when pointed out, say it's that you consider him "last" anyway...

 

[ZSandmann]

I can see your point about FF. Also about Dawg.

I agree Razz and Kash both need to step up and give us some thoughts. Hiding, especially in this games format is very suspicious to me.

What are your thoughts about how defensive JL became when linked to FF?

What about how Tex also listed Dawg and JL then voted with JL on Dawg?

Tex I'd like an explanation about that from you as well.

I agree with Wiz, DD has nothing but fluff posts. I know its hard to be committed especially on Day 1 but you have to have some kind of thought. Or do you just plan on voting with the masses?

I'm not ready to pull my vote off FF. His answers really don't put me at ease that he is in fact innocent.His answers almost seem like he has no answer to the question and is beating around the bush.

I think this was directed to me but I'll answer regardless.

I always take note when people are defensive, and Day 1 is the funniest day because so much of what we say is a house of cards with no support to back it up. I see JL's defensiveness as a response to FF's aloof style. Some of us play very structured games, some people play it fast and loose. Those personalities always clash. As I said I'm not writing either off but to me FF comes out looking a bit more scummy.

Now Tex is a different matter entirely. He quite literally saved his skin, which I had predicted was most likely to happen. I think he popped in and posted the bare minimum to stay alive, pulling some names everyone was discussing and throwing them out quickly with no backing. This reeks of coaching, of course the communicative teams can not talk right now however. So I am left believing he didn't have the time to make any decisions of his own so he borrowed everyone elses. That seems scummy.

Just to put this out there since we're at odds on the FF/JL thing.

Of the players not posting who would you guys vote for? Maybe we'd be better off voting one of them and scare the others into posting.

Annie
Tex
Kash
Razz
Zaffy
Wiz
DD

None of them has cracked double digits except DD and most of her posts are fluff.

I'm willing to vote Tex Razz Kash DD Annie Wiz Zaffy in that order.

Tex obviously tops my list of those above. Its not the lack of posts its the timing and content.

After that I'd have to say DD and Razz would be next. DD for not really addressing any of the Day 1 goings on, Razz for making excuses.

I've been busy this weekend but I'm not making excuses, I'm just getting into the posts when I can and making observations where I see them. I see no reason to give everyone my date book for consideration.

 

[dirtydawg10]

JL, unless I missed it I think you breezed over this too...any comment???

The other thing I don't like about your thinking JL is that you jump all over JPap and vote for JPap for calling 8 votes on 1 person a train. Then FF calls your single vote on JPap a train and no comment from you. Makes no sense.

I also don't like how you talk about not taking FF serious. If he's playing the game and has a possibility of being mafia you have to take him seriously yet you suggest people should skim his posts. In fact there are several people who apparently think FF should not be looked at.

The last paragraph of your post JL is the only thing I'm worried about. I thought about that before but I didn't want to bring too much light to it. If FF screwed up he may have just outed the innocent communicators...that wouldn't be good. I'm guessing if FF and JL are not mafia we will know by the next day regardless of who votes to lynch them.



Who said you called JL mafia? I never said you accused JL of being mafia I said it appears you were talking to JL outside the thread. The communicating part led me to believe you were comm mafia because I would have hoped that comm innocents would be much more careful. If I'm wrong and you get lynched and turn up innocent I'm sure I'll be heavily scrutinized the next day. However right now it appears I may be the one to go.

Me and JL a team??? lol...JL you may want to reel him in just a bit. I understand you wouldn't be able to do that today anyway since there is no communication going on right now.

 

[Dangerdoll]

You did get a lot of innocents lynched last game...was very impressive. :bowing: And I realize most don't play the same game twice. I did think you laid lower last game than you have this game. My impression this game was you took FF's crazy randomness and ran with it. All you had to do was get 3 innocents to vote on him, then the rest of your scum team can jump on quickly to get him lynched. Dag already has done so, likely because he's busy IRL and didn't want to miss the opportunity. Unfortunately for you, some of us are not so eager to jump onto the lynch FF bandwagon. Has this complicated your evil plans? Now you're being forced to not lay low, which I would expect would have been the plan (since I suspect many mafia will be laying low).

I explained above...it wasn't a need to go after FF, just an easy opportunity to try and get an innocent lynched. I also explained previously why I think the mafia team would have had a strong player try to set up an innocent for lynching. The rest of the scum team can lay back hiding.

Like I said before, I think Tex is just trying to play along and learn the game. His following FF could be simply explained by noob confusion. I've been too tough on noobs in the past so for now I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. He really does need to put more thought and effort into the town if he's innocent.


No offense DD, but primarily what I've seen from you is a bunch of :nilly: in regards to the whole FF/JL/Dawg thing. Care to post some more solid theories and thoughts as to who is scum?

no offence taken, Lab... as you were also one who claimed that I have posted fluff. I suggest you read my explanation to Ice, as it should be considered the same answer for you.... I could copy and paste if you like.

 

[Lab_Rat]

You don't see FF throwing out crazy accusations this game????? He's already claimed JPap's innocence, then declared he never called JL mafia after he never said anything about JL being mafia but yet JL is his second suspect, then there is the posts with him putting words in JL's mouth, etc...etc...

I may have woken up in the twilight zone here or something.

I see him posting a lot without really thinking things through...I have no idea why he claimed jpap was innocent other than it's likely FF thinks anyone not going after him is innocent. I wouldn't be surprised if he claimed I was innocent too and Dag and Ice were mafia. He is the epitome of OMGUSy. I think he also confuses himself, maybe he should start posting his notes again. :laugh:

I'd say this sums it up pretty well for you JPap.


It was his post which I believe linked him to JL which started me looking at him but is clearly not my only reason for voting FF.

Dawg, do you forget there are two communicating teams??? This throws a wrench into everything since we can't assume those who may seem to be communicating are evil.