Mafia 72-Vampires game thread

FF I was on my wifes comp and it was screwing up. The part that should have been bolded was this



We also lost a team turn


Only one that lost a turn was the vamp team.

i was considering the town a team. Team Townies (TT)
 
What slip? We lost pappy-he was innocent- turned vamp-killed; we lost DD-UD; we lost User_name-Lynch; and we lost an unkown member of the townie team (tt for short)

I see no slip in that.
you stated that you lost a team turn... Pappy was staked by the hunter and so the camps lost a team turn. What is going on there?
 
I'm not going to quote Kashs post its long.

I will answer it to the best I can.

I didn't go after Rich or JB because that was more or less my 1 suspicion of the game. It had no merit at all, just posted a thought. Might not have made the meaning clear at that time but so be it.


I went out on my own because everyone one was chasing wild theories. Evidence of that being the trains that followed my votes on certain players. Not once but 3 times. The only one I can understand is the DD one because that actually had the best reasoning IMO.

I don't know what participation you were looking for from me on Day 1. I didn't see a reason to get pulled into it all and be distracted.

I don't know how you think you can read tone in a post. Yes I was surprised the hit came night 1, doesn't mean I wasn't pleased with the outcome. Do you not think it was a lucky shot?

I have no problem being voted for if my answers aren't satisfactory for everyones likings. As you stated it would give the good souls a good player for the 1 time vamp hit we get after night 3.
 
Now it looks like you're trying to quickly cover your tracks. This is just another slip for you.

I can't wait A) I die B) the game ends. Your gonna be eatin ur words.

I have not slipped once this game. I have not been able to as im not evil. If i was evil i would be more careful, and sound more like a great player. But im not evil, and do not sound like a great player.

Mr. Palmer is content. He survived the first nightfall, and isn't doing to shabby for day 2 of the Vampire Invasion. He is being accused of "slips" though, and is vaugly annoyed about that. HE knows he hasn't slipped, but does the town believe him? The new guy certainly doesn't. He quietly prays for Team Townies to be victorious, even if he is killed. Mr. Palmer also goes out to see how his strawberries are doing. They aren't getting near enuff sun, and he know that his famous Mega Super Strawberry Cake will have to wait. He will get those pesky vamps out of his town for the sake of his MSSC. He only hopes he is alive long enuff to make some. He worries that he won't be, and starts to write the recipe down for whoever shows up in his house first when he dies. "The first ingredient is strawberries. One strawberry for every half cup of everything else..."
 
We've played lots of games with Ice. He claimed at the start that he just didn't "feel" like playing at first and I don't buy that. Ice didn't have any hesitation pushing specific suspects our way or posting his defense of an indefensible theory. He was well enough "into" the game to lead us the wrong way. And what I think he was actually doing more than anything was lying low and biding his time to help the town as little as he possibly could.

Sorry but where did I lead anyone in the wrong direction?

I'm not understanding if evil where it helped me or the vamp team to try and save an innocent and cut our loses by 1 when I could have voted anywhere and still had 4 innocents die and not have a target on my back?


I don't think it matters whether the outcome of our 2-horse race ends up decided by vote count or coin toss. And frankly, it really doesn't matter which one of us dies. This game isn't about any one individual player (which I pointed out to you before).... it's a team effort. The greatest benefit by doing this is it forces everyone to choose one or the other (me or Ice). And every person's vote will become part of the voting pattern record, bearing their name. Innocents will be torn and it's not easy to choose, that's understandable. But a good number of players already intend to vote me while others are voting Ice. So let's just leave this at that... then throughout the process, everyone gets to post their position. This forces the vampires (at least 3 now) to also take a position, state their reasons, and put their names on it. That is what leads us back to them whether they continue to hide out (after the staked person's role is revealed) or they'll have to defend their own. We learn something useful either way.

The other consideration here I didn't mention before (and this is where Ice will probably complain)... if both Ice and I are up for voting together, then that prevents the vampires from turning either one of us. That's what I realized yesterday when I suddenly drew so many votes just before nightfall. If the vamps intended to turn me (or kill me), those votes on me at the end of the day would have made them choose somebody else instead. Even if my turn had been successful, I was too vocal and too risky for them to want to recruit me to their side because I'm still liable to get lynched the following day. In a team building game, you avoid confrontational recruits who are likely to get themselves killed. It's smarter to recruit someone else better at sitting back and not drawing attention to themselves.

We know they turned Pappy (before the slayer got him) and we know they turned somebody else. If Ice wasn't a vampire already, he (among others) was a very good turn candidate himself.

Why would I complain about this? I think its a great move.
 
Have to give the comp up but I'll reread tonight to see where my vote might land. I'm cool with a runoff but I'm not voting Kash. I don't think she is evil at the moment and I'm pretty sure she wasn't yesterday which is why I didn't like the train that formed so quickly.
I really need to go back and see if any certain group of players followed me from person to person.
 
Not understanding this Chill. How is losing 1 less innocent on Day 1 helping the vamps? Instead of losing 3 we lost 4.


It's not a matter of losing 3 vs. 4, that's the outcome we got riding the safe path. Yes if people had voted the UD we might have only lost one. However if people had voted otherwise we may have hit a vamp instead of an innocent. No one knows what the outcome would have been so it's really not fair to say not voting the UD cost us an extra player.

Voting the UD gives the vamps a bit of a free ride. We don't get any info from the loss because the vamps seeing we're going for an innocent can sit back and watch, they don't tip their hand, they don't have to worry about a loss, they don't have to worry about their turn getting staked by the town. I think the three way tie would have put far more pressure on the vamps.

Even on day 1 buying time is dicey when the vamps have two potential turns, they're growing the townies are shrinking and time is not our friend. My experience with you is that your more aggressive then what we've seen from you this game and sitting back to await your faith seems out of character. I think this variant of the game requires committed action which would seem to be your forte yet you call for caution. Doesn't seem like you and doesn't seem good for the town.

I think the only people who benefited from the UD votes were the vamps. I'll leave it at one last question Ice. Do you honestly think the UD votes were not helpful to the vamps?
 
I knew one day that game was going to bite me in the a$$.

I screwed up that night fall, the reasoning I gave you sounded the most legit at the time. I was just trying to save face and not have the game end because players would want to quit over the miscue.

Also show me in the order of events on that rule page where UD is....I never put UDs in the order of events...



How did this get buy anyone????? Care to explain the slip FF??

I'm on the wifes comp and its driving me crazy. Let me kick my son off mine and finishing reading ,answering,posting.


Ice, i questioned it, ..twice...
 
It's not a matter of losing 3 vs. 4, that's the outcome we got riding the safe path. Yes if people had voted the UD we might have only lost one. However if people had voted otherwise we may have hit a vamp instead of an innocent. No one knows what the outcome would have been so it's really not fair to say not voting the UD cost us an extra player.

Voting the UD gives the vamps a bit of a free ride. We don't get any info from the loss because the vamps seeing we're going for an innocent can sit back and watch, they don't tip their hand, they don't have to worry about a loss, they don't have to worry about their turn getting staked by the town. I think the three way tie would have put far more pressure on the vamps.

Even on day 1 buying time is dicey when the vamps have two potential turns, they're growing the townies are shrinking and time is not our friend. My experience with you is that your more aggressive then what we've seen from you this game and sitting back to await your faith seems out of character. I think this variant of the game requires committed action which would seem to be your forte yet you call for caution. Doesn't seem like you and doesn't seem good for the town.

I think the only people who benefited from the UD votes were the vamps. I'll leave it at one last question Ice. Do you honestly think the UD votes were not helpful to the vamps?

Not as it turned out because not enough players voted the UD to make it work. If 1 or 2 people had voted the UD the vamp team would have 1 more innocent to deal with.

Lets play hypothetical. Lets say my vote was on you and it stayed there. DD still UDs and User still dies. What has changed except for who you go after.

At one time we did have a 4 way tie, but it didn't last long.

DD has 2 votes and I am considering moving my vote to her.

I don't like the express train on Kash after I voted her.

I usually frown on voting a UD but in a team building game we can lessen the number of lost innocents by taking out 1 that looks like she is going anyway.

I retract my vote for Kash and vote to stake DD

sorry Lab

Updated vote count:

FF-3- Ice (123), LG (135), JM1212 (195), Rich (202)
2Hobbies-3- FF(137), JB (188), Chill (197), Noods (204), UN(234)
Noods-1-Wiz (176)
User_name-1-2H (230)
Chill-1-Kash (286)
Kash-3-Ice (289), Judgemax (295), Noods (297), UN (301)
DD-3-jpap (290), Dag (303), Ice (316)

No vote- DD


But LG JM Rich Noods and Jpap all moved and messed it up.

Final vote count:

FF-0- Ice (123), LG (135), JM1212 (195), Rich (202)
2Hobbies-2- FF(137), JB (188), Chill (197), Noods (204), UN(234)
Noods-2-Wiz (176), LG (361)
User_name-4-2H (230), jm1212 (364), Rich (366), JB (368)
Chill-0-Kash (286)
Kash-2-Ice (289), Judgemax (295), Noods (297), UN (301)
DD-3-jpap (290), Dag (303), Ice (316), Kash (391)
Ice-1- jpap (327)
JM1212-1- Noods (355)


No vote- DD

I get why I'm being looked at but why aren't they?

What made LG JM and Rich change their minds about FF after I pulled off? Why did Noods change her mind about Kash after I pulled off?
 
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