Mafia 88: Insane Asylum (Game Thread)

[[AC] xx_Nemesis_xx]

Be that as it may, Nem. I'm not delighted with the direction the rest of the town has been going or at least with the results we've been getting from it.

Are you?

Plain and simple, we got lucky Hammer self-destructed when he came after me. Beyond that, the scum has been hitting our most active/vocal townies and PRs one after another. Our collective town wisdom lynched a UD, for goodness sake.......... even after Wing warned us to have alternate votes ready to post so our lynch might still count for something. And the thread stays quiet, why? Because the mafia isn't doing anything to stop us from killing each other off for them.

You really want the town to keep going with the flow? Okay then. Perhaps that tells us something significant about the side you're on.

Personally, I'd rather we take a closer look at players we should have suspected, but haven't yet. That's not going to happen if we all stay in agreement and go the same direction.

It wasn't so much that you went in a different direction so much as it is you went in a different direction and then indicated that you were not likely going to be around later when people would see your post and probably question it or at least bounce an idea off of it. Fairly easy to drop a bomb and just walk away, no? That is why it made me a bit uneasy.

I'm in no way complacent with the way things have been going. I'm hoping that I can turn a, until recently, rather inactive player into an asset for the town.

 

[[AC] Old3Toes]

Vote Count (thru post 1048)

Driver (2) - O3T 988, BH 1000
BH (2) - nar 979, scoop 1011
RICK (2) - Tree 1032, UhOh 1037

No vote: chup, Driver, mael, Nem, RICK, Tib

To those that have not voted yet, any reasons why you are dragging your feet?

 

[[AC] xx_Nemesis_xx]

To those that have not voted yet, any reasons why you are dragging your feet?

Seeing as I started playing all of 6 hours ago I'm not in a rush, atm. I will be able to post most of tomorrow anyways so plenty of time to discuss before solidifying a vote...

 

[[AC] BadHaggis]

First off, welcome to the game, New Nem!

I can understand RL issues. I can almost understand a one time no vote...but the multiple no votes is total BS. Especially when you spend 15 minutes trying to bold a no vote. You also had some suspects lined up. You still don't seem to be up to much today either.

You are beginning to post more again but not seeing you drop on my list so far.

Can you explain here what exactly you agree with. If you are supposedly innocent why would you agree with someone's case to vote you. Something's not right about that unless I'm reading it wrong.


Something we actually do agree on.

I know it has already been pointed out but this is a bad idea. I didn't notice anything in Mad's write-up that talked about a role block being used. I'll go back and look again. If the role block has been used it is a better idea.

I vote to lynch Rickets

They are still at the top of my list and the deal with trying to get the det to come out just doesn't sit right with me either.

I made myself look scummy. I understand that, and do not blame him for voting me, I earned it, and am trying my best to make up for my earlier mistakes.

Thanks for reading all of my post. I really appreciate it buddy. Now, because I'm sure that you must've been too busy kissing my buttocks to read my whole post, but I never said that you blatently came out and said either of those things. Your posts STRONGLY imply it.


thanks, too bad I can't play anymore. (I tore my stabilizing muscle in my rotator cuff, or something like that) It sucks, first no baseball, then no basketball, and now no football. It should be interesting to watch me play soccer this year (I'm 6' 2 with size 15 feet, and can barely run under a 5.7 on the 40)

so, any thoughts yet or are you still pretty convinced that gun was scum?

This is D1 and it really bothers me that BH can flat out say that they already think not one, but TWO players are 75-90% evil. Those players being scoop and Nem.

Next, BH decides to give people, namely Nem and Mael, crap for voting HH. I find it odd that BH brings up something about there being "trains" on scoop and Nem before he voted when neither were trains at all.

BH continues to rag on Mael for voting HH, at least until it is pointed out that Mael initially posted a reason (see below).

Odd change of heart here. Mentions that there is a possible case against both scoop and Nem...did they forget that whole 75-90% evil thing the day before?

Also throws in HI IQ, a popular suspect at the time because of the deal with HH.

Now BH's attention turns to Tib.

Seems to be quite the strong reasoning to vote Tib here.

Here is the vote for no one.

The majority of this post is directed at Tib, who BH voted for the night before. It's pretty much a useless post. This isn't much longer after the vote for no one so even at the time if BH thought this was a good post at the time the next logical step would be a vote for Tib again...

Excuse for the no vote...

More excuses about the previous posts being pretty much garbage. Blah, blah, blah.

Now BH turns to Gun and uses Chup's post about the possibility of Cnote knowing who Gun is and Gun seeing that as a threat as for why Cnote was hit. Not only is that the weakest reasoning to vote I have seen so far outside of maybe a couple D1 votes but I believe Chup said something about his own post being not really a case so much as something he was thinking about.

When questioned BH adds in something about a gut feeling for Gun...

Safe option for the town or the scum team? I'm leaning the latter.

In summary, I do not like how BH started out with Nem and scoop as such strong suspects and also then chastised those voting HH later on at the time. The next day their attention turned to Tib and they listed quite a bit for why they voted there. And then there was the whole no vote thing which makes no sense to me since previously BH had what seemed to be strong suspects, at least in their mind. The whole confused/uncertain card seemed to be played there and I dont buy that. I also do not see how they could go from those previous suspects to voting Gun because of a case that really was not a case at all.

And one last thing that bothers me about BH...I think it was twice they said they don't make lists (I will double check)...I cannot for the life of me remember anyone ever refusing to give a list of suspects in the game of mafia. They are right about one thing though, they certainly go with the posts except I cannot find any consistency in BH's gameplay at all.

Response is (or should be) in sync with the post.

Ok, so maybe saying 75/90% was a little overboard, my bad.
Train related part: I was called out for jumping a train or something, was it the coin flip one? IDK for sure, but someone called me out on my vote, so I returned to favor.
The 75/90% to possible was due to hammer being evil, when I though him innocent. That messed with my trust in gut feeling.
There is a difference between excuses and reason, Nem. It all depends on if you beleive them or not, I know for fact that I felt like crap at the time, only after dinner did I feel well enough to vote.
I felt the no vote was a safe option for the town, mainly because I had no cases of my own at the time, and did not want to vote off an innocent. In case you missed it, Gun was an innocent, so my no vote would have been the better choice in that scenario.
I did not have a good reason to vote anyone else, and Gun was giving me a bad feeling. Granted, he was innocent, but that was not known at the time.
I do not make lists unless absolutely necessary. And constancy is not my middle name...

Meh, found just one but that's enough...

Funny how it all makes perfect sense why you can't even keep any consistency between suspects from day to day...

I also found this...the post below from wing is quoted by BH when he is looking for potential reasons why wing might have been hit.

Look at the list...then look at the bold below...

Swing and a miss! The top two clearly were scoop and...*drum roll* Bad Haggis! Odd, now why would you want to misrepresent that list BH? Was it intentional???

Now this just cracks me up...first, BH says to Tib that lists are distracting but now they post a list.

I look at people on a day-by-day basis. Any problems with that?
Of course I didn't put myself on the list, I know my role, and it's not evil, thats a definite.
Yes, I know I posted a list. I still don't like it, but if I recall right there were a number of people asking.

 

[[AC] RICKETS]

I can understand RL issues. I can almost understand a one time no vote...but the multiple no votes is total BS. Especially when you spend 15 minutes trying to bold a no vote. You also had some suspects lined up. You still don't seem to be up to much today either.


You are beginning to post more again but not seeing you drop on my list so far.


Can you explain here what exactly you agree with. If you are supposedly innocent why would you agree with someone's case to vote you. Something's not right about that unless I'm reading it wrong.


Something we actually do agree on.


I know it has already been pointed out but this is a bad idea. I didn't notice anything in Mad's write-up that talked about a role block being used. I'll go back and look again. If the role block has been used it is a better idea.

I vote to lynch Rickets
They are still at the top of my list and the deal with trying to get the det to come out just doesn't sit right with me either.

Why would Mad's posts mention role blocking? Only pro-town PRs are affected by the role block. Those actions, aside from Vig who is dead, don't get posts.

Just a quick note while I continue to look and dig. Rick posts as he did all through day 2, posts a quick vote after night fall and disappears all weekend until last night after night fall. Then today wants to look as though he is helping the town. :headshake2:

Did it take you all weekend in the scum den to figure out how to calm down and look like a townie?

Then today you suggest the det come out? what's the matter you guys haven't found him with your invests and are trying to lure him out?

I am sorry but that is too little too late in my book, and not a very convincing job of looking helpful.

I VOTE TO LYNCH RICKETS

I should have stuck with my original impression from day 1. This vote would take a lot too change.

Are you serious? I think you have been smoking some Prime or something. Being gone for two RL days is about the easiest way to make myself look scummy, it would be the stupidest move I could make. But if you want to believe I sat away from the game all weekend to try and look innocent go ahead with your diluted sense of reality.

Just catching up here, needed a 24 hr mafia break after that ridic bad nightfall.

I see that Haggis has finally decided to jump in and make a case on someone. And they're right, Driver really hasn't contributed much, aside from commenting on how "we" need to be digging. Haggis seems to have cleared Scoop in post #997, can't quite follow the reasoning there.

Rickets may have been without internets all weekend, or they may have been laying low since things were going well for the scum team. At this point idk. I haven't seen pro-town posts from Rickets, nor any real digging. I did see some crankiness in their posts, whether that is townie frustration or not, idk either. A lot of theoretical ideas on how to play mafia, with the whole post on "no votes". Not sure how that post helps find scum since it tells us what we already know, no votes suck. The case analyzing the voting patterns on day 1 is the first real digging I've seen Rickets do. Their analysis of the voting events seems wonky to me, as they are making a big case of Nar tying up the vote. At that point it was so early on, a tie had to happen to get HH to surpass Nem in votes. Someone had to tie it up so HH could go ahead to be lynched. So Rickets, maybe you can explain that to me. To me, Nar was on HH early enough that I would doubt scum would have given up on saving HH, so I doubt scum would have moved there at that time.

Now the suggestion that the detective come out if they've found scum is VERY suspicious to me; Rickets even notes that the last big PR, detective, is in BIG danger. The "I see no real downside" statement sets off all sorts of red flags in my mind. I just looked over the rules about the role block and it doesn't say whether Mad will tell us when it's been used, so it may have been used or it may still be in play. We know it wasn't used Night 2 because the Vig hit went through. Could have been used night 1 or night 3, though night 1 seems too early.

This post by Nar directed at Rickets is exactly my thought:


This struck me as interesting:

I must disagree with you Tree. Now is the perfect time for the scum team to put their spin on things, with the townies very frustrated. I know I had to take a 24 hr break because I was so freaking irritated. I'm still a bit irritated. Would be stupid for scum to keep hiding right now, in fact I'd expect them to start posting more and making fake cases on townies to keep things spinning and chaotic.

Ok, this post is getting too long, I've only gotten through #1028.

This isn't hard to rationalize, we need to lynch scum (duh). The Detective will know if the roleblock was used because they would not have gotten a result back one night. IF they have a positive scum hit AND the roleblock has been used, they could safetly come out and have the Doc protect them. That is not insidious, it is fact, irrefutable fact. Lynch me for offering the suggestion, but freaking read my posts and lynch me with some understanding of what I am saying.

I vote to lynch BadHaggis

Based on voting patterns and gut feel. I also suspect Narwhal, but things drop off grossly after that. Regardless there needs to be a consensus now, and no one else seems to see the scumminess of Nars vote. Nem would also be a nice lynch, because it would tell us much much more about the votes from Day 1. At the same time a new Nem offers a rare chance to see how a new person plays the same role which could also be valuable. So I am conflicted in that respect.

 

[[AC] BadHaggis]

@Rickets: What are your thoughts on Driver and his "everyone dig" then not showing up bit?

Also, are the voting pattern and gut feeling the only reasons for your vote on me? Care to explain, in detail, what's wrong with my voting pattern?

 

[Madcrawdad]

Vote Count (thru post 1066)

BH (3) - nar 979, scoop 1011, RICK 1065
Driver (2) - O3T 988, BH 1000
RICK (2) - Tree 1032, UhOh 1037
UhOh (1) - chup 1054

No vote: Driver, mael, Nem, Tib

 

[Madcrawdad]

Nightfall in 11 1/2 hours (8 pm CST). PMs as required, please.

 

[[AC] Tree_Hugger]

Why would Mad's posts mention role blocking? Only pro-town PRs are affected by the role block. Those actions, aside from Vig who is dead, don't get posts.


Are you serious? I think you have been smoking some Prime or something. Being gone for two RL days is about the easiest way to make myself look scummy, it would be the stupidest move I could make. But if you want to believe I sat away from the game all weekend to try and look innocent go ahead with your diluted sense of reality.


This isn't hard to rationalize, we need to lynch scum (duh). The Detective will know if the roleblock was used because they would not have gotten a result back one night. IF they have a positive scum hit AND the roleblock has been used, they could safetly come out and have the Doc protect them. That is not insidious, it is fact, irrefutable fact. Lynch me for offering the suggestion, but freaking read my posts and lynch me with some understanding of what I am saying.

I vote to lynch BadHaggis

Based on voting patterns and gut feel. I also suspect Narwhal, but things drop off grossly after that. Regardless there needs to be a consensus now, and no one else seems to see the scumminess of Nars vote. Nem would also be a nice lynch, because it would tell us much much more about the votes from Day 1. At the same time a new Nem offers a rare chance to see how a new person plays the same role which could also be valuable. So I am conflicted in that respect.

Often times a Mod will put a little clue or hint in their narrative that suggests a certain power was used. I wanted to see if Mad mentioned anything. I went back and still don't see anything.

Obviously the Det would know if the role block was used. The problem I have with your post is you never mention it. It almost sounds like you are trying to get the Det to come out not even thinking about the role block. If you thought about it you should have mentioned it. The Det seems to be indicating by not coming out that the RB has not been used. Or possibly has not found any scum.

It also strikes me as funny that you seem willing to vote for Nem just to find out their role. Nothing about Nem seeming scummy...just that you would like to know their role.

 

[[AC] RICKETS]

@Rickets: What are your thoughts on Driver and his "everyone dig" then not showing up bit?

Also, are the voting pattern and gut feeling the only reasons for your vote on me? Care to explain, in detail, what's wrong with my voting pattern?

It's hypocritical, but it happens to everyone. I did it once already in this game, and I hate that I did. Scoop has become notoriuos for it. I have no strong read on Driver at this point and time.

Often times a Mod will put a little clue or hint in their narrative that suggests a certain power was used. I wanted to see if Mad mentioned anything. I went back and still don't see anything.

Obviously the Det would know if the role block was used. The problem I have with your post is you never mention it. It almost sounds like you are trying to get the Det to come out not even thinking about the role block. If you thought about it you should have mentioned it. The Det seems to be indicating by not coming out that the RB has not been used. Or possibly has not found any scum.

It also strikes me as funny that you seem willing to vote for Nem just to find out their role. Nothing about Nem seeming scummy...just that you would like to know their role.

I think of a lot of things, they don't all get put into text, I think everyone can say that. I am not suggesting and have no power to make the Detective come out, it was a suggestion I thought merited discussion, apparently no one agrees with me. Nem is a piece of information, I would like to know that piece to have a more complete picture. Whether Nem is good, bad, or ugly has little bearing on how valuable the info is.