Mafia 95 - "Mayor's Mansion" (The Play)

[Lady G]

i still cant get past MC's last post if he had invested DD and she came up up scum, I do not see how he would not have posted that. He should have realized a guess against another play would just sow more confusion. I am quite happy with my vote.

Rich, I really see what you are saying and I have gone back and forth with that so many times, but with the back lash I have gotten because of the thought in invested and found scum in Doll I just can't shake the feeling I am on to the truth here. I've been attacked like crazy because I said I thought he invested Doll. I very well may be wrong, and I very well may be lynched because of it...but I don't understand the fight being put up over it.

 

[dirtydawg10]

ok, I have 3 more pages to catch up with but I just wanted to place thoughts out because it's getting late and I haven't much time before I go to bed. For the record, I have read up to post 1320.



The problem I am having with MC investigating me is for one, he would have found me innocent. Knowing this, I think he may have left subtle hints but that vote out of the cage like that would have dispelled a mafias opinion of him being Detective. If I was mafia, it sure would have made me think he was wishy washy and playing without much thought, just rushing out a vote. The mafia knew he wasn't one of them and to see that vote must've had them like oh brother, MC is gonna be an easy lynch for sure and there's not way he has a role because I am not on their team either. The thing is UN was voting, then trying to take a vote back by being sloppy, saying he unvotes who he voted for and made his next vote.... which by the way seemed suspicious. You folks that claim MC would have chose someone other than UN should think about that. MC doesn't know UN's play, all he knows is that he is a regular after his time (MC's) and everyone knew him so he must know the game. I cannot substantiate for myself that MC was only going to investigate Vets that he knew. That would be foolish to use that kind of gameplay with such an important role. The fact is, UN seemed to panic and I believe MC caught on to it and checked him out.

Originally Posted by Dangerdoll
I believe it was because he wanted to appear obviously NOT the detective... but just wishy washy... he was being careful so as not to be suspected as detective which in the end screwed himself because he not only convinced the mafia of not being the detective, he also convinced those who voted that he was not a townie either.



I am not saying no mafia voted him, I am saying that since using the thought that he didn't know who the mafia was by voting me out of the gate, they were less opt to taking him out with a hit.

This post seals it for me. I vote to lynch DD

She keeps getting more and more tangled up in her own lies. You say MC voted for you to appear as being not the detective. So the scum would not suspect him. How does that work for him unless he knows you are innocent? How could he know whether or not you were innocent unless he investigated you? You make it sound like he acted erratic on purpose to appear as not the detective. That doesn't make sense to me either. If he acted erratic and voted out of the box for mafia how does that make him look like not the detective? The only way your theory works is if somehow MC knew you were innocent. The reasoning you give for MC to invest UN doesn't make sense because it didn't happen on D1.

 

[Madcrawdad]

Ugh, sorry to lose you MC. At least the doc did a great job.

While Kash was stretching out nightfall in an agonizing way, after learning MC was the det I went back and looked at the timing of his vote. It's very possible he investigated DD, got the result, then placed his vote on her. Thoughts?

I also went back and looked at MC's vote while Kash was doing nightfall. The fact that, out of nowhere, MC says he thinks Pappy was innocent is a little more interesting to me. How'd you miss that part?

Here's Paul's retraction off of DD on D2. If he had a confirmed scum read on her, I strongly doubt that he'd pull off and claim to have been stupid. It's doubtful to me that DD was Paul's investigation from N1.

I have been at work all day, what a long day... I have thought about my vote on DD and really you guys have convinced me that my vote for DD was illogical esp jpapp. I guess I ahve some sort of concern for her because of previous games which is really stupid. Anyway, chill has raised a lot of suspicion for me in the last 24 hours and the thing that sticks out to me is how he was content with having a coin toss especially when one who was lynched was an innocent. I RETRACT MY VOTE ON DD and VOTE TO LYNCH CHILL.

You throwing this idea out there without taking a stand yourself, but asking for others "thoughts" kinda looks like you might be hoping for somebody else to run with the idea. What kind of thoughts were you looking for? For others to confirm your suspicion by agreeing "Yeah. It's possible," or for somebody to actually take a stand?

 

[Lady G]

I also went back and looked at MC's vote while Kash was doing nightfall. The fact that, out of nowhere, MC says he thinks Pappy was innocent is a little more interesting to me. How'd you miss that part?

Here's Paul's retraction off of DD on D2. If he had a confirmed scum read on her, I strongly doubt that he'd pull off and claim to have been stupid. It's doubtful to me that DD was Paul's investigation from N1.



You throwing this idea out there without taking a stand yourself, but asking for others "thoughts" kinda looks like you might be hoping for somebody else to run with the idea. What kind of thoughts were you looking for? For others to confirm your suspicion by agreeing "Yeah. It's possible," or for somebody to actually take a stand?

See, I saw it as possibly he wanted to retract because he vote was going no where, adding he thought he was being stupid to try and make it look as if he hadn't invested her in case they had caught on. Although, it does bug me that he didn't say anything before his death..unless he was hoping for some miracle to happen and he would somehow be saved, then be in trouble for "outing his role".

 

[Lady G]

Leaving soon for work. I'll be running nightfall from the office tonight so I may not be able to post vote counts very often before it... depending on how things are at work. Players are welcome to post updates themselves if you don't see one from me just to keep everyone informed. Thanks!


Day 3 - Vote Count

1 DD - UN (1127) LG (1142) Dawg (1195)
3 UN - Zaffy (1147) DD (1167) Rich (1438
3 LG - Jpappy (1255) User (1282) Lab (1364) Wizard (1365)

No vote: JB, AAF, Ninja, Mad, Rbishop, Dawg, Bally, Chill, Wizard.


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[jpappy789]

I've never said you're 100% scum, LG. I think it is more likely than not you are which is why my vote is where it is...

 

[Lab_Rat]

I also went back and looked at MC's vote while Kash was doing nightfall. The fact that, out of nowhere, MC says he thinks Pappy was innocent is a little more interesting to me. How'd you miss that part?

I wasn't looking for innocents Mad. MCs vote so quickly on DD really stuck out to me so that is immediately what I went to check out (timing wise). I didn't read through all his posts though, therefore I missed the part about Pappy. In my mind I already had Pappy leaning innocent anyway.

 

[jpappy789]

I wasn't looking for innocents Mad. MCs vote so quickly on DD really stuck out to me so that is immediately what I went to check out (timing wise). I didn't read through all his posts though, therefore I missed the part about Pappy. In my mind I already had Pappy leaning innocent anyway.

Lab, it was in the same post as his vote...how could you miss it?

Yeah that was good!

For now I vote to lynch DD even though I thought jpapp lead the pile on of the ff vote something tells me he is innocent. I would like to hear more from dd and dawg personally.

 

[Madcrawdad]

Still plugging through posts, guys. Trying to go in order, but as I'm pulling quotes, some seem more urgent to address than others, so I'm addressing the more interesting/urgent ones as I find them. Therefore, not everything may flow chronologically...

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@ Wiz

Wiz, this post bugs me alot. It seriously looks like you're just trying to find something to say. You say "The votes were close both nights. Those up for the lynches were there due to the posts they made." NEWSFLASH!: On D2 you and Chill were up for lynching. You apparently know that you're innocent, and you pretty quickly leaned Chill innocent on D2. A lot of people voted for you two...yet the only thing that stands out was UN's switching around. Seems like you agree with cases on yourself and Chill as well. Interesting. Did you mean to do that?

I have been looking at the voting records to find anything I can and there just isn't much to see. The votes were close both nights. Those up for the lynches were there due to the posts they made.

The lynches could have gone anyway each night. The only thing that stands out with the voting is UN's vote switching last night.

I still can't help but think we are missing something.

 

[Madcrawdad]

If that's true, then I'd lean chill innocent. No way that she'd vote for a teammate and bring them so close to the lynch. I have a feeling that wiz was scum, we had to have had 1 scum up for lynch the past two nights.

Dude, probably not a good idea to lean anyone innocent until some people start flipping scum.

Ah, crap. Sorry MC...down two PRs already?

It is something to think about, him voting DD off the bat but then calling UN flat out scum. Not sure I would expect anyone to try and be that obvious that early after getting one invest...but would he have investigated UN night 1 either? Hard to say with MC not playing any games for a while, I'm not really sure what their play style would be like anymore. His claim of UN being mafia could have been out of frustration too.

Seems more OMGUS to me, as Paul never even mentions UN until late in the day.

Hmm, ya think Labby...the thought of him being detective never crossed your mind, the way he came on and voted Doll?

It never crossed my mind. Have you played with Paul before? Did such a move on his part seem out of character to you?

Well I am off to bed. I am taking Kathy in to the city for surgery at 4 am and I will be gone most of tomorrow.

Good luck, Rich.

I'm not so quick to think he investigated UN, if he had he sure didn't do anything to try and get votes to him. I believe he voted Doll an she came up as scum, it makes sense the UN thing does not...he could of only had one invest at this point, I believe he THINKS UN is scum...but if he had investigated him, I'm pretty sure there would of been a vote there at some point.


It makes sense if he had investigated her and found her to be scum.

At this point I VOTE TO LYNCH DOLL

I honestly do not see any other reason he would of voted her as soon as day 2 started if he didn't know.

Lab and Zaff would be my next choices. I also think Lab talking like she thinks Wizard is innocent marks him down a touch in my book

Nope. My guess is Pappy on the invest.

I vote to lynch UN.

Det result is enough for me.

I'm going to go back and try to find what MC saw in him. Hopefully there's a clue out there.

I'm going with OMGUS. Not saying anything about UN's play, but if Paul were going down and had a scum read on somebody I seriously doubt that we'd trying to guess which player it was...MC would have been more vocal about it.

He gave into your constant pounding of it, is exactly what happened. From what I saw he was tired of saying the same thing over and over and just gave in.

Seriously? Detective has a scum read, and backs off just because somebody pushes him on it. Paul didn't just back off on the vote, he also backed off on calling DD scum period.

I really thought you were scum MC...never would have guessed you were the Det. Sorry to see you go. At least the Doc came through for us even though Spence didn't.

I can see a case for DD or UN. I need to go back and look before I place a vote though. It may be a good idea to run DD and UN against each other. Then we can see if any scum vote any certain way. Any thoughts?

If you've got other reasons than just trying to guess Paul's investigation.

0 DD - MC (783)
6 MC - Wizard (991) Dawg (994) Jpap (1003) UN (1014) AAF (1031) UN (1055/1092) Zaffy (1056)
5 Chill - Lab (1001) Bally (1033) DD (1039) Ninja (1041) UN (1052) MC (1054)
5 Wizard - Mad (1006) JB (1009) Chill (1027) Rbishop (1037) Rich (1057)
1 Lab - Lady G (1047)

Let us examine the final vote count again.

We have been concentrating on the fact that MC voted DD right out of the gate. What we haven't focused on is the fact that he retracted off of DD and his final vote was on Chill.

Would anyone like to venture a guess as to why?

Would you like to comment on why the Det. final vote was on you Chill?

So Wiz, are you trying to push that MC's invest was on Chill now?

Wiz, at the time MC's vote on Chill would've put Chill in the lead, thus saving his own skin. He couldn't choose to switch to you, as he (MC) would still be in the lead.

If MC had been smart enough to jump to Wiz, I believe that it would have forced a coin flip at nightfall.

Hmmm, I could see that being a subtle message.

They call that bread-crumbing. Detectives are supposed to do that, so when they get killed, that the investigative results don't go for naught.

I am still baffled though as to why MC would come out and vote DD like that.

You've played with Paul before. Do you think of MC as a logical or methodical player? Does the early DD vote seem out of character for him?

I stated that yes. That was also early when he was not showing up. If I recall correctly he managed to come in after I said that and was all over the place. Which is what resulted in his lynch.

So then the whole "FF is usually scum when quiet" becomes irrelevant because he became more active? Personally if somebody changes their in-game behavior when called on it, I find it more interesting.

Mad, you wrote a novel of a post about my posting D1. You then spent the majority of D2 asking me about it over and over again. I was not suprised to see where your vote fell. I do have a question for you though.

Did you keep asking me to see if I would trip myself up in my answer? Maybe forget exactly what I had said?

Or were you trying to keep it out there in front of the town because JP was questioning MC so much you thought I might get forgotten in the noise?

Why did I keep asking you? Because I wasn't buying what you were selling. I like you for scum and am therefore going to keep you out there. Am I just supposed to quietly go away?