Starting Back Up Again...Questions About Using Seachem Stability
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At any rate, we have the fish in and they seem to be doing well and having fun in their new environment; I'll keep you posted on what happens with the water parameters and Stability completion.
Thanks for your (and everyone else's) input.
Thanks for your (and everyone else's) input.
Why? It is just a question
I never said it would take 6 weeks to cycle with Stability (I don't know the product). Yes I agree if it did it would be no different as fishless cycling.
I never quoted Seachem and I never thought you or TTA had a profit motive. You guys made the rather odd sweeping statement that no other nitrifying bacterial product as Tetra or from Tim could be effective. Now I'm old and slow, I might have missed something but what is your basis for saying that ? Why can company X make products that Y and Z can't, while each and everyone on this forum has been culturing nitrifying bacteria from the day they started their tank(you could do it in a bottle, too). That's why I stated the strain is irrelevant; no one at home can determine which kind of nitrifying bacteria are in their tank; but this doesn't matter as long as they do the job. (same for any bottled product; it either works as advertised or it doesn't) I'm all for warning against fake products but this warning seems rooted in nothing.
So far, I'd say the claim no other product can work but these 2 is a logical fallacy and TTA's post with 'proof' is filled with red herrings. A patent for a detection probe does not explain anything nor prevent anyone from bottling nitrifying bacteria. Hence my question can you maybe explain it?
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Loach,
I believe that Fishorama was pointing out that it was me who "called him out," being that he mentioned the quote from Seachem I provided; at this rate, I don't even know what we're arguing about anymore. I apologize to anyone who may have been offended; it wasn't my intent.
The fish are in and seem to still be doing well on this second day; I will take water readings later and report back.
I believe that Fishorama was pointing out that it was me who "called him out," being that he mentioned the quote from Seachem I provided; at this rate, I don't even know what we're arguing about anymore. I apologize to anyone who may have been offended; it wasn't my intent.
The fish are in and seem to still be doing well on this second day; I will take water readings later and report back.
Okay, just took some readings...amazingly, they didn't change any, really, since I took them three days ago....
We're on the SIXTH day of Stability, and the following is what my API test just read:
pH: Still around 7.6 (is this really that vital of a reading right now?)
High Range pH: Still around 8.0-8.2 (is this really that vital of a reading right now?)
Ammonia: Still somewhere around 0 and 0.25ppm; closer to 0
Nitrite: Still 0ppm
Nitrate: Still somewhere between 0 and 5.0ppm (the color in the test tube comes out like a yellowish-orange, so it's difficult to discern; it's not quite 0 and not quite 5.0)
How do these look? Tomorrow is the last day of Stability, but do I need to begin doing small water changes right now? The fish do not appear to be in distress; they're eating and swimming just fine to my eye.
We're on the SIXTH day of Stability, and the following is what my API test just read:
pH: Still around 7.6 (is this really that vital of a reading right now?)
High Range pH: Still around 8.0-8.2 (is this really that vital of a reading right now?)
Ammonia: Still somewhere around 0 and 0.25ppm; closer to 0
Nitrite: Still 0ppm
Nitrate: Still somewhere between 0 and 5.0ppm (the color in the test tube comes out like a yellowish-orange, so it's difficult to discern; it's not quite 0 and not quite 5.0)
How do these look? Tomorrow is the last day of Stability, but do I need to begin doing small water changes right now? The fish do not appear to be in distress; they're eating and swimming just fine to my eye.
It's not much of a result still, that's why I recommended adding ammonia to check. How big are those goldfish? If the tank is not cycled (product doesn't work) you will see ammonia rising. If the product does work you will see nitrates rising. Depending on the size of the goldfish and size of the tank, it could take a while now. There is no need for water changes yet, there is nothing in the water....
Thank you.
The fish are small-to-medium, on the smaller side. I have been feeding them, so I'm sure they're producing waste material which should help, no?
I was hoping the ammonia spike would come from the fish and/or their waste/food; at any rate, tomorrow is the last day of the Stability, so I'm not using anymore after that.
If I do see a spike in ammonia and nitrates, should I do a small WC?
And what about the pH and High Range pH -- do those even have to be tested anymore?
I don't know what you mean with 'small to medium' for goldfish, that could be either 1" or 6" depending on who you ask... and depending on size and water volume, it could take a while.
If you get an ammonia spike, the Stability has failed, and you have to cycle the tank with the fish now. Then you can't change water until the level gets too high or it will slow it down. You are trying to combine 2 cycling methods which is not a good idea. Once you get obvious nitrate readings (with 0 ammonia and nitrite) the tank is cycled and you can start regular water changes.
The pH is ok for now, it doesn't have to be checked every day during the cycle.
If you get an ammonia spike, the Stability has failed, and you have to cycle the tank with the fish now. Then you can't change water until the level gets too high or it will slow it down. You are trying to combine 2 cycling methods which is not a good idea. Once you get obvious nitrate readings (with 0 ammonia and nitrite) the tank is cycled and you can start regular water changes.
The pH is ok for now, it doesn't have to be checked every day during the cycle.
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I'm sorry that you don't know what I mean; I don't know how better to describe their size. I'll keep an eye on the water parameters each day and report back (I suppose, again, to be told what else I'm doing wrong).
The loach- let me try again perhaps with shorter words?
You cannot sell bottled bacteria that contains Nitrospira. The reason is simple, you can say it contains that strain of bacteria, but you cannot prove this.
You cannot prove it because the probe which will detect it is patented and you cannot use it without the permission of the patent holder.
The patent is held jointly by Dr, Hovanec and by Marineland which was purchased along with the patent rights to the probe, by Spectrum brands. Spectrum also owns Tetra who has the right to use the patented probes which they do to make Safe Start.
Now for the science part both the Nitrosomonas strain, and the nitrospira are (bold/red added by me):
You cannot sell bottled bacteria that contains Nitrospira. The reason is simple, you can say it contains that strain of bacteria, but you cannot prove this.
You cannot prove it because the probe which will detect it is patented and you cannot use it without the permission of the patent holder.
The patent is held jointly by Dr, Hovanec and by Marineland which was purchased along with the patent rights to the probe, by Spectrum brands. Spectrum also owns Tetra who has the right to use the patented probes which they do to make Safe Start.
Now for the science part both the Nitrosomonas strain, and the nitrospira are (bold/red added by me):
from ttps://www.pondtrademag.com/water-t...degree if you cannot use it make your living.
