They spawned


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Day 3, they're starting to swim with purpose, slowly and deliberately. Picking at things off the salvinia roots. Ive started the infusoria feedings today too.


My local aquarium club has reviewed photos of dad, they also say hybrid, but not with lalia x labiosa due to being too small! Instead they are saying hybrid lalia x chuna (honey)
 
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chuna, hmm? Seems funny because I would expect to see more traits in the male... I'm still leaning to wild type but maybe get ahold of the wholesaler and ask them?
 
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Sprinkle said:
Wait, any kind of gourami can interbreed or just two specific species?
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In the same family... example the colisa group (colisa lalia, colisa chuna, colisa labiosa, colisa fasciata, etc) but a dwarf could not breed with say sparklers or three spots...

I know they deliberately hybridize honeys (chuna) with thick lips (labiosa) for "sunset honeys" in stores.


I wish i could contact the wholesaler. Its hard to say.


The Loach on here said hybrid with labiosa. My aquarium club said hybrid with chuna. TFF said possible hybrid not to breed him at all. The Loach says not wild type.
 
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In the same family... example the colisa group (colisa lalia, colisa chuna, colisa labiosa, colisa fasciata, etc) but a dwarf could not breed with say sparklers or three spots...

I know they deliberately hybridize honeys (chuna) with thick lips (labiosa) for "sunset honeys" in stores.


I wish i could contact the wholesaler. Its hard to say.


The Loach on here said hybrid with labiosa. My aquarium club said hybrid with chuna. TFF said possible hybrid not to breed him at all. The Loach says not wild type.
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I wouldn't use my aquarium club...
 
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I wouldn't use my aquarium club...
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Oh no i didnt mean "my aquarium club" as the forum, but my actual local aquarium club. Lol sorry
 
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In the same family... example the colisa group (colisa lalia, colisa chuna, colisa labiosa, colisa fasciata, etc) but a dwarf could not breed with say sparklers or three spots...

I know they deliberately hybridize honeys (chuna) with thick lips (labiosa) for "sunset honeys" in stores.
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I've been interested in the subject of taximony and if species in the same genera can interbreed. I don't think every species in the same genus can interbreed because of some chromosome mismatches and other stuff thats really complicated (could be wrong) but In general 2 species of the same genus can't interbreed and create fertile offspring but there are several combos that contradict that too. I wonder if this is one of the exceptions? But then again the logistics of a hybrid x pure species are complicated. Wow. Life is simple amazing, isn't it :)
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I wouldn't use my aquarium club...
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Lol you got a bone to pick with them too?
 
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CichlidFins said:
I've been interested in the subject of taximony and if species in the same genera can interbreed. I don't think every species in the same genus can interbreed because of some chromosome mismatches and other stuff thats really complicated (could be wrong) but In general 2 species of the same genus can't interbreed and create fertile offspring but there are several combos that contradict that too. I wonder if this is one of the exceptions? But then again the logistics of a hybrid x pure species are complicated. Wow. Life is simple amazing, isn't it :)
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Honeys and DG can crossbreed then?
 
NoodleCats said:
I wish i could contact the wholesaler. Its hard to say.

The Loach on here said hybrid with labiosa. My aquarium club said hybrid with chuna. TFF said possible hybrid not to breed him at all. The Loach says not wild type.
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Wouldn't make a difference, as you won't get a straight answer from the wholesaler or the farm. They know many hobbyists don't like hybrids, and they are never traded/sold as such, it's always fantasy names (like you say "sunset honey gourami") or 'comes from somewhere in China' (meaning caught in a pond on a Chinese fish farm)

I checked some books from the 60's and 70's (so well before mass scale poor quality Asian fish farming) they don't show or mention a "long bodied" type. Reputable sites like Fishbase and Seriouslyfish don't show or mention it either, and they have several pics of wild caught fish.
Dwarf gouramis are mass produced both for food (paste) and aquarium in several colors including wild. Wild caught fish are much more expensive (or will reduce the profit) that's why chain stores (and most others, too) switched to farmed cardinals about a decade ago when they could mass produce them. Yes they do carry wild caught fish but these are more expensive fish that are difficult to farm.
If you got the fish from like a specialty store that imports their own fish and it has a matching price (not sold on the farmed price level) I'd be inclined to believe there might be a long bodied population somewhere.
 
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