MAFIA 10: Vampires!

[Swayde]

I have a very hard time believing JL is a bad guy. His voting for CS every day (and CS actually does look evil to me) would be a major tip off if CS came back innocent after a staking and then JL would certainly look bad in light of that. I think JL, and any evil person for that matter, would be trying to look less suspicious and not go after 1 single person knowing full well that person is innocent. I'd think they would rather hover around like vultures to swoop in for a kill whenever an innocent makes a slip that they can use against them *cough Mee-Mee cough*. That's how I was thinking when I was evil and it seemed that's how the rest of the evils were thinking as well.

RB your fixation on the rules and the fact that when you say something you actually don't ever say anything is really starting to bother me. It just seems like you are trying too hard to appear helpful without contributing anything of substance.

 

[johnlarson66]

I am trying to reply to some information that was in a quote -


JL:

There has been a lot of posts, but not as much information as I was hoping for.

ZS:

Why do you always say that? I'm collecting plenty of information.

Share some of this information, what you have posted is mis-information.


JL:

The nightly kidnapping is going to be a strange twist. The not knowing who it is, well that is going to take some getting used to.

ZS:

Fairly easy to figure out who is Kidnapped... sploke

At the time of this post, RB had not posted and he could have been kidnapped. It was either rb or sploke that was kidnapped. It was only easy AFTER rb had posted.


JL:

Is the not posting / not voting and you die rule for every day or just Day One? I thought it was just the first day, but need to check. I wish that rule was on the first page. I will search later.

ZS:

Rule is on the first page, and it applies for the whole game length.

Well the rule on the first page says first day, but Ice changed it, AFTER this post.

JL:

If it is just for the first day, then what will stop someone from "pretending" to be kidnapped. Right now there are 2 people that could have been kidnapped, we know only one is. We will not know who was. Only the kidnapper will.

ZS:

This is not a possible scenario, no vote and you die, unless kidnapped

At the time this was posted this was a very possible scenario. Also, please check to see if rb posted before or after the rule was changed by Ice.

 

[DeputyChiefJR]

Ok, putting in my vote for the day...And due to reasons previously mentioned...

I vote to stake CS.

 

[Dangerdoll]

Again, folks careful though, I see that you are trying to team up members, you have to realize that there is also a team of Seer and Hunter that is trying to help save the town and have pretty good powers. The seer can investigate once per night and the hunter can kill at will once during the game. If I am not mistaken, the hunter has not yet used the arrow yet. Ice, can the hunter use the arrow at anytime or only during the night, it doesn't say.

 

[ZSandmann]

I am trying to reply to some information that was in a quote -


JL:
ZS:

Share some of this information, what you have posted is mis-information.


JL:
ZS:

At the time of this post, RB had not posted and he could have been kidnapped. It was either rb or sploke that was kidnapped. It was only easy AFTER rb had posted.


JL:
ZS:

Well the rule on the first page says first day, but Ice changed it, AFTER this post.

JL:
ZS:

At the time this was posted this was a very possible scenario. Also, please check to see if rb posted before or after the rule was changed by Ice.

JL the rule may or may not have been updated at the time of these posts, but it had been said by Ice that it would happen. You asked questions and I replied to them, I'm not sure why you want to get caught up on them. The rule has always been that if you don't post in a two day cycle you die. We are now on two day cycles.

 

[ZSandmann]

I really have no idea who to vote for right now. I have more suspects than possible vampires, so I know I'm probably feeling the PRs again and I don't want to be responsible for outting anyone again. JL, RB, ewurm are probably my strongest feelings, but they are just that, feelings. I can tell that they are off a bit but it is hard to pin that down to exact posts. Although CS seems to be a popular pick, I just haven't seen or felt anything from him. But I need to run to town and I would like to be helpful and have a vote, even if it changes, because votes create discussion.

I vote to stake rbishop.

Bob, where were you since Day 3 began? Were you trying to see if you could play kidnapped, since sploke was one of the top suspects and this clears him? I can see how coming from a frequent game hoster you want to linger on Ice's every word but actually that helps us very little as far as exploring our suspects. Also, even if you didn't begin as a vampire I think you would be a very likely turn candidate with your Moderator powers and insight into the game. That also applies to DD as well, but I haven't seen any sign of change in DD and have had her quite high on my Innocent list since Day 1.

 

[ZSandmann]

Day 3 – Next Night is at 8PM Saturday
8/13 Votes: No Vote:
3-Charlie_Stubbs: johnlarson (470) Swayde (569) DeputyChief (584)
3-Rbishop: Charlie_Stubbs (500) DangerDoll (570) ZSandmann (587)
2-johnlarson: ewurm (551) Ogre (572)
0-Sploke: Swayde (469)

 

[OgreMkV]

I want to point out something about this whole vote for no one thing.

In the game where we had two groups of rebels, I just suggested that we talk about voting no one and had to defend my comments for the whole game. I thought with the different game that it could be an option.

In this game. There has been a few votes for no one. ggf was almost staked for it, but the person suggesting it and the person that actually voted for no one on day one have not been held accountable.

Instead both of these people have wanted to stake me. I am also unsure why.

Direct Questions:

Ogre, why did you suggest to vote no one and then after ggf followed your advice vote for her? What was your reason for voting for ggf?

I'll answer as best I can.
First, the odds of hitting a vamp on day 1 were really bad, 1 in 9. With so many players and so few vamps, we were sure to hit an innocent. That's pretty much the same in every game though. The difference in this game was that the vampire court grew each night. This would present several problems not the least of which is that someone that was innocent could suddenly become a vampire.

Second, as usual, it's not really a good idea so I left it out as a trap. I wanted to see who would go that way and why. GGF was the first one so I voted for her. Remember I was working, so I had to vote and hope for the best because I wasn't sure I could have changed it.

Ewurm, why did you vote for no one on Day 1? What were you hoping to learn of gain from that? Do you think voting for no one helps or hurts the town?

Ok, putting in my vote for the day...And due to reasons previously mentioned...

I vote to stake CS.

Remember that we have until Saturday night for the vote this time. We don't have to vote early.

That being said, voting early can bring in useful discussion.

Again, folks careful though, I see that you are trying to team up members, you have to realize that there is also a team of Seer and Hunter that is trying to help save the town and have pretty good powers. The seer can investigate once per night and the hunter can kill at will once during the game. If I am not mistaken, the hunter has not yet used the arrow yet. Ice, can the hunter use the arrow at anytime or only during the night, it doesn't say.

DD, again, I gave great respect for you and Z. You're both very good players and wouldn't make a seemingly silly mistake like that. Unless there was a very good reason...

In my mind, I can't imagine anyone (hunter/seer or vampire court) making a silly mistake like that. However, I would think that the hunter/seer would be much less likely to need to do something like that. The vampires are trying to make us vote for other innocents, the hunter/seer are still looking for innocents.

Even if the seer investigated mee-mee first (which would be odd), that team probably wouldn't try to get her lynched... at least when no one else is looking in her direction. If she wasn't the LV, then they could safely ignore her and bring it up later if need be.

I can imagine a scenario where two vamps would make a play like that though. One where the LV is in danger of being staked. So the two subordinate vamps make a 'silly' mistake. Distract the town from the LV by staking an innocent, then everyone gets caught up in them and forget about the LV.

Those are my thoughts on the subject. I'm still staking toward JohnLarson as my vote as (based on the above) he was the lead vote getter until the mee-mee thing took over.

Now, my observations are telling me that DD and Z are really pushing hard on this topic... is it to defend themselves? Can't be, no one is voting for them. But people are voting for John again and they want to try and keep us distracted.

 

[Lady G]

I brought this up to get answers so I can decide if I thought that there really was/wasn't something to it. I just wanted answers and I got them Thank you.

ok, Lady, I can understand the nagging suspicion you have but I can asure you that the things you have noted on are merely coincidences and I am not in cohoots with Z. Be careful though, I see that you are trying to team up members, you have to realize that there is also a team of Seer and Hunter that is trying to help save the town and have pretty good powers. The seer can investigate once per night and the hunter can kill at will once during the game. If I am not mistaken, the hunter has not yet used the arrow yet. Ice, can the hunter use the arrow at anytime or only during the night, it doesn't say.
G, I will do my best to explain.


G, your compilations are weak to say the least and if anything, to say you weren't going to highlight them and then say you just couldn't avoid it is weak as well, I just don't see how things just screamed anything here except the fact of you putting the posts together to try to make them look a certain way. And the attempt is weak as well. However, with such an attempt, I have no choice but to wonder if you were in fact turned. How is the new room rb set up. Did you's all get nicely aquainted yesterday while we were waiting for RB to post after night?

Ok DD, you started off making me feel I WAS making much out of nothing, bringing out about the hunter/seer team..I hadn't thought about that at the time, I was just so focused on who looked "turned" since I did not think you or Z to be evil in the begining this stood out to me.
First you say you can "understand" my suspesions, then go on to say my "complications" are weak...how are they weak DD? Because I named you, I believe if this had been about anyone else you may see it differently. I do not think them to be weak or I would not of brought them up. You said that you do not think anything "screamed" I didn't say they SCREAMED anything I just said they made me wonder and I wanted to clear it up...I don't think that sounds anything like I thought it screamed.
I didn't "put post together" to make them look like anything they WERE together that is why it looked odd to me. Let's see I what the post numbers were here just to be clear that they were together...Yours 275, 288 then Z's 284, 289 hmm those were very close together. Then I have yours 303 and Z's 312 pretty close together there D, then you 394, and Z 395, you 396 All seem to be VERY close together so just to be clear I didn't "PUT" anything together they were together.
I wanted to see how you would answer to this, and I found out you my dear seem alittle off on your answering trying to turn it around on me when I was just asking to try and "clear" you out of my thoughts at the time.

Good Morning! As I said last night I take responsibility for the MM fiasco. I'll answer what I've seen pop up since, if theres anything else I'll be around today.



Once again, this looks like we were following one another because no one else was posting at the time.I hope you can see the slip that Mee-Mee seemed to make in her reasons for voting. Right after Day 2 began I assumed that GGF was evil because of the way the newspaper read. As soon as Ice explained that a person was turned and the newspaper was wrong I retracted from GGF as it was now assumed that she was Innocent. I voted for JL as I don't really like his one-sided quest he seems to be on to stake CS. I just haven't seen enough from CS except for his unusual lack of posting. When MM made her vote and her very flawed reasoning the JL vote suddenly seemed like a train. So I switched. I wish I would have stayed on JL and he is probably my vote today, but it is still very early.



Explained my reasoning best I could up above. Please don't lump DD and myself together, she is just one person I believed to be an Innocent up until last Night(That is not saying I believe she is Evil now, it is only saying that at Night things change.) Hopefully if you read through this post you can see where I was coming from. Other questions just ask, I have nothing to hide.

Thank you Z for not trying to turn this around on me..the way you answered my questions have relieved my mind on you.
Also I do NOT blame you or DD for MM, I take full responsiblity for my vote. DD pointed something out on her, you agreed and b/c of further discussion about it I changed my vote, I did it myself and no one made me do it I do not hold either of you responsible for MY vote. Yes saw the slip or I would NOT of changed.
I accept your resoning behing the Guppy vote retract. That does make since to me.
I also believed DD innocent at the time or else I wouldn't of "followed" her thoughts. Now because of the way she answered to me I'm not so sure. Maybe it was convienent for her that the two of you were posting at the same time and she would be able to come back later and say well see Z said the same thing or Z has been following me.

 

[charlie_stubbs]

Chas, your responses to JL are above in red....you mention that you liked JL and Sploke as vamps up to nightfall (Day 2). Deputy doesn't post his list (with which you agree) until Day 3, though. Why agree with the list on Day 3 when apparently you began thinking that Sploke and JL were less scummy on Day 2?

Instead of "until nightfall", it should have read "Until shortly after nighfall". It wasn't until the beginning of day three that i began to think sploke was less scummy. Here are the order of events:
On day 2 i have JL and Sploke both as 4's on my list.(10=innocent) After nightfall i realize Sploke or RB has been kidnapped. RB is ranked high on my list (a 2) and i realize they cannot both be vampires. When DC posts his list, i don't know which has been kidnapped. I agree i like his list. Besides me, two people on it rank 4's on my list. I later see Sploke viewing, but doesn't post. I now assume he has been kidnapped. RB is now a one on my list, and for 24 hours Sploke is innocent.