Mafia 61: The Gunslinger - Game Thread
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Keep the lists coming. They help more then you think. There isn't really a right or wrong answer at this point. To think anyone can name all 4 mafia after 90 or so posts is ridiculous.
I will say I don't agree at all with putting the gun in the hands of players like Ag,Razz or Lab this early into the game, no offense guys. The Slinger needs to know how to read the players he is hunting.If I'm going to be wrong I'd rather be wrong and put up a strong person.
We only get to be wrong 3 times. Why would anyone even suggest putting up a less then experienced player?
Kash said in a post :
Ice named a bunch of people who (if innocent) are really good at sniffing out evil. So if he shoots one of them and it's another townie, the next gunslinger to follow won't have much evidence yet to make a highly accurate choice either.
So how is it better to have an inexperienced gunslinger if I'm wrong?
I will say I don't agree at all with putting the gun in the hands of players like Ag,Razz or Lab this early into the game, no offense guys. The Slinger needs to know how to read the players he is hunting.If I'm going to be wrong I'd rather be wrong and put up a strong person.
We only get to be wrong 3 times. Why would anyone even suggest putting up a less then experienced player?
Kash said in a post :
Ice named a bunch of people who (if innocent) are really good at sniffing out evil. So if he shoots one of them and it's another townie, the next gunslinger to follow won't have much evidence yet to make a highly accurate choice either.
So how is it better to have an inexperienced gunslinger if I'm wrong?
Here's the post I misread.. then quoted it with my post. I was too sleepy to be doing this late last night when I was reviewing the thread.
Here's where I questioned the post, thinking it was being protective when it's really pointing suspicion. So disregard this one.
Here's where I questioned the post, thinking it was being protective when it's really pointing suspicion. So disregard this one.
Ice, you sound resigned to the probability of killing an innocent. We still have another whole day to go before you need to make that call.
You pointing out we only get 3 mistakes makes a big difference, Ice. I was thinking we get 4.. but you're right. That 4th one is what ends the game with a loss.
As the days go, I don't think we're going to miss killing mafia three times in a row. I expect we're going to get one or two of the mafia.. along with losing a couple of innocents... and that this game is going to drag on a bit. The gunslinger duty will pass from one to another many times. Some of them are going to be experienced and some aren't. But when it's crunch time a few days from now... THAT'S when I'm more worried about who's pointing that trigger and how well they can read the remaining players still alive. If the mafia team is a good one this time, they'll sound persuasive enough to fool an uncertain gunslinger who can't decide what to do.
If this goes the worst way possible, a mistake made on Day 1 or Day 2 can be recovered and is what will lead us to identify which team people are on. The same mistake made later on will cost us the game.
The point I was making is no matter who you decide to shoot... we're not going to be able to keep that gun out of the hands of low participants or players with little experience. They are going to be on our lists too as leading suspects and the assignments were made randomly. But while a majority of players are still alive and posting.. even an inexperienced player will benefit from the opinions and suggestions the rest of us make. The gunslinger is on the town side and should honestly try to make the best choice. That means an inexperienced player in the role will be open about this with us in the thread... and they'll listen to what the rest of us have to say. Right now we have twice as many townies than mafia so the overall gist of what's being posted now is not filled with lies and deception. A few days from now.. we're probably going to get closer to a 50-50 split with a more vocal and more effective mafia influencing those having a hard time reading through the BS.
Ice, you said this: "I don't agree at all with putting the gun in the hands of players like Ag,Razz or Lab this early into the game, no offense guys..."
While I definitely agree with you there... would you rather the gun be passed to them on day 3... day 4.. or whenever else it gets around to them when we can't afford to make even one mistake anymore?
g/o Hey all, Sorry I've been away, I haven't read the last couple of pages yet. I've been away because my girlfriends mother had a stroke over the weekend and she's not doing well. So, if I disappear you'll know why. For the time being I'll still be able to participate. g/o
This was the other thread I wanted to pull. Annie has since posted again to explain this, but I'm not real satisfied with his comments. So I'll address that newer post here as well.
So let me get this straight, Annie:
1. If you are mafia - You consider me, Jpappy, and Ice as the biggest mafia threat.
2. If you are innocent (and Ice shoots you then dies) - You already know you would shoot either Jpappy or me next when you become the gunslinger.
I don't get this. If Ice shoots you and dies it's because you're innocent... NOT MAFIA. Why then would an innocent wish to shoot someone for the stated reason that they are dangerous to the mafia?
I'm having trouble reading this post while considering what your thought pattern must have been while you were writing it. This one doesn't add up because your reasoning doesn't match your statements... unless it's an indication that your head is in mafia mode of thinking.
In reality, if you were innocent and decided to kill me or Jpappy.. your reason would be it's because we're good at being evil, NOT because we're dangerous to the mafia. LOL!
Right?
Now, here's the post Annie just made in response to Jpappy.
Red Part -- The first post I quoted above (from yesterday) says NOTHING about either of us (me or Jpap) being evil and nothing about the way we play this game when we're scum. Annie was talking about who poses the greatest threat to the mafia in this game right now when he made that post yesterday. Today, it seems he's trying to spin this the opposite way. All in all, I have the impression that Annie wants to take us out either way from what I've been reading. For a player to have an agenda like that from the git-go on the first day of Day 1 seems suspicious to me.
Blue Part -- If Jpap and I are better at playing an analytical game... it's only better from the mafia's point of view to take us out early... BEFORE there's any data to analyze and BEFORE either of us could come up with something useful to help the town side win this game.
You're still not making any pro-town points here, Annie.
So let me get this straight, Annie:
1. If you are mafia - You consider me, Jpappy, and Ice as the biggest mafia threat.
2. If you are innocent (and Ice shoots you then dies) - You already know you would shoot either Jpappy or me next when you become the gunslinger.
I don't get this. If Ice shoots you and dies it's because you're innocent... NOT MAFIA. Why then would an innocent wish to shoot someone for the stated reason that they are dangerous to the mafia?
I'm having trouble reading this post while considering what your thought pattern must have been while you were writing it. This one doesn't add up because your reasoning doesn't match your statements... unless it's an indication that your head is in mafia mode of thinking.
In reality, if you were innocent and decided to kill me or Jpappy.. your reason would be it's because we're good at being evil, NOT because we're dangerous to the mafia. LOL!
Right?
Now, here's the post Annie just made in response to Jpappy.
Red Part -- The first post I quoted above (from yesterday) says NOTHING about either of us (me or Jpap) being evil and nothing about the way we play this game when we're scum. Annie was talking about who poses the greatest threat to the mafia in this game right now when he made that post yesterday. Today, it seems he's trying to spin this the opposite way. All in all, I have the impression that Annie wants to take us out either way from what I've been reading. For a player to have an agenda like that from the git-go on the first day of Day 1 seems suspicious to me.
Blue Part -- If Jpap and I are better at playing an analytical game... it's only better from the mafia's point of view to take us out early... BEFORE there's any data to analyze and BEFORE either of us could come up with something useful to help the town side win this game.
You're still not making any pro-town points here, Annie.
I'm torn on low posters, it's possible that they are hiding behind post count. But, some of those guys don't post a lot anyway. So they're a crap shoot imo.
JB. He's pretty intent on the idea that a previous mafia player is mafia this round as well. Madcrawdad said that roles were chosen randomly. It's possible that previous mafia players are mafia this round, but it's not really evidence.
Zsand - was the first really to point a finger. At Annie, finger pointing this early could be bush kicking, or a tinfoil conspiracy.
Annie - He says some scummy things, not sure if he's just that bold, or is trying to bush kick.
Dawg - Because nothing stands out from what he's said, and that stands out to me.
The benefit I can see is if an inexperienced player gets lucky with a shot, then we're sitting in better shape without risking much. If you shoot an innocent and die, your replacement will have a 40% chance to hit scum. Those aren't great odds, but they're not terrible either. A better player may increase those odds, so it might be better to save them for later as well.
Since I didn't do this before I'll explain my reasoning behind my picks. I started with the original player list...
Agassizii
Annie
Dawg
Ice
JB
Jpap
Kash
Lab_Rat
RazzleFish
TRS
Z
Zaffy
I took myself and Ice out of the equation since I know the roles. I figured 2 newer players and 2 vets for mafia. Of the newer players Annie and Zaffy stand out as scummier and as for the vets there are only 3 left who could be mafia...Kash, Z and JPap. I understand that for the other players who are not sure of my role my name could be substituted for one of the other vets. But this is the way I see it.
The reason I say 2 vets and 2 newer players are mafia is due to this format I believe roles would definitely have to be hand picked.
Very sorry to hear such news, Zaffy. Wishing her the best in her recovery. Hang in there.
You should rethink your theory on that, Dawg. Mad told us in the first post that all roles were random. I don't believe for a moment that he would lie to us about this.
If the roles were hand picked, Mad wouldn't have said anything at all.
See the red part, below...
